any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet

Reading another thread made me think of this.

There has been a serious amount of salt put down on the roads this winter, the south probably as bad as north of the border, and our cars are all going to suffer from it.

Do you have any plans for the spring, such as underbody cleaning or other rust prevention measures, and will you get someone to strip clean and lube the brakes properly before the caliper makers have to up production in order to supply enough to replace the seizures.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - RT

It'll rain soon - going for a drive in that will spray-clean the undersides.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Trilogy.

GB, will at last get round to Bilt Hamber underside of S124. Also jacking points need repairing. Second longest time I've owned a car. Being a diesel it's a bit late to sell it now so it's here for the long term. Still got your coupe?

any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet

Glad you still have the old girl Trilogy, the estate is a timeless design as is the saloon, more so than the coupe imho, they were never in fashion so they haven't got old looking..

Yes still have the coupe but will see about selling it this spring, we have 3 dogs now and the car barely gets used, and you know as well as i that these W124 Merc's don't fare well standing.

The jacking points on it were done couple of years ago, my handy bodyshop has moved away from insurance and trade work (due to mickey taking trade who want ever cheaper) and does more for private customers and classic refurb which he also gets more pleasure from doing, he enjoyed doing those.

For those who don't know the W124 Mercs, they don't have sills like most cars, the outer sills are just plastic covers, the main sill sections are built under the floor sections making the shell very strong, the jacking points really are nothing to do with the integrity of the shell.

We're currently trying to replace SWMBO Subaru Outback with another Subaru, this time a Forester 2.5XT is requested, bit of a disappointment we were due to see one today with a plan to buy but unfortunately it was sold back end of the week, couldn't get there earlier due to work shifts, so the search continues, i shall have to up my game same as i did when i bought the Landcruiser, its seems good examples of these types sell quickly, i bought the LC same morning as it went online, looks like getting the right Subaru is going to need the same approach.

I suggested a Volvo XC70 so she can keep the 4WD stability but she only wants another Subaru because the ownership experience of the current one has been a revelation, both its ability in grip/performance whatever the weather and its complete dependability despite its age, chances of either of us buying european again are slim, so when the next car is found no doubt that will be a week of going right through it changing every oil, stripping and lubing the brakes, and yes like you, a good BIlt Hambering too.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - nellyjak

Fortunately my imported Toyota Estima was full undersealed as part of the deal when I bought it a couple of years ago, so hopefully I have some degree of protection.

I purposely examined the vehicle underneath PRIOR to it being undersealed and it was like new.!...as so many Japanese imports are.

Would have been downright silly not to have it done so that it could cope with future UK/European Winters...and the damn salt we love to use.!

any - road salting, corrosion to come - corax
We're currently trying to replace SWMBO Subaru Outback with another Subaru, this time a Forester 2.5XT is requested, bit of a disappointment we were due to see one today with a plan to buy but unfortunately it was sold back end of the week, couldn't get there earlier due to work shifts, so the search continues, i shall have to up my game same as i did when i bought the Landcruiser, its seems good examples of these types sell quickly, i bought the LC same morning as it went online, looks like getting the right Subaru is going to need the same approach.

I suggested a Volvo XC70 so she can keep the 4WD stability but she only wants another Subaru because the ownership experience of the current one has been a revelation, both its ability in grip/performance whatever the weather and its complete dependability despite its age, chances of either of us buying european again are slim, so when the next car is found no doubt that will be a week of going right through it changing every oil, stripping and lubing the brakes, and yes like you, a good BIlt Hambering too.

I presume you're trying to obtain one around 05 to avoid the tax hike?

What's wrong with the Outback, or is it just a case of fancying a change. The 2.5 manual has got silly performance, too much for the chassis if we're honest :-) It will feel more utilitarian than the Outback, they have a fair amount of road noise inside as standard, but more fun to drive with the shorter wheelbase. A good one will probably be more reliable than a Volvo though, I have heard that the 4WD system on the XC's is fragile.

You will probably already know this but watch for sagging rear ends meaning the self levelling dampers on their way out - you can price this in accordingly if the rest of the car is good. Best fix is standard KYB dampers and springs sourced from Ebay (springs needed as the original self levellers hold up the car, not the springs), cheaper than Peddars units and more durable according to a Subie mechanic on the owners club. It's what I have on my car.

The 06 on 2.5 engines also have a secondary air injection pump for emissions that can fail.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet
I presume you're trying to obtain one around 05 to avoid the tax hike?

What's wrong with the Outback, or is it just a case of fancying a change. The 2.5 manual has got silly performance, too much for the chassis if we're honest :-) It will feel more utilitarian than the Outback, they have a fair amount of road noise inside as standard, but more fun to drive with the shorter wheelbase. A good one will probably be more reliable than a Volvo though, I have heard that the 4WD system on the XC's is fragile.

You will probably already know this but watch for sagging rear ends meaning the self levelling dampers on their way out - you can price this in accordingly if the rest of the car is good. Best fix is standard KYB dampers and springs sourced from Ebay (springs needed as the original self levellers hold up the car, not the springs), cheaper than Peddars units and more durable according to a Subie mechanic on the owners club. It's what I have on my car.

The 06 on 2.5 engines also have a secondary air injection pump for emissions that can fail.

Thanks for that Corax.

Would like to get one registered pre March 06, but we're open minded enough that a later one may be slightly better value due to VED issues, and if its a £800 cheaper as such then thats 4 years VED differece already paid for, when the right car comes along the VED issue won't be a deal breaker, and i'm breaking one of my own rules here.

Yes i'm aware of the self leveller problems, but am grateful for the KYB dampers and springs tip, that i didn't know...i've come across this before with Boge self levellers on the back of 7/9 series Volvo estates, the self levellers were scandalous prices but if you go for standard shocks you need new stiffer springs too, luckily i found some new Boge units on a write off.

I have the same issue on the Landcruiser, which being an LC5 has adjustable dampers all round, they are really expensive being OE only, and the rear axle is on air springs, but the ride and handling are so good, wet grip quite amazing for the size of it, that i'm prepared to pay the extra should i get failures, for some years yet in order to preserve the handling, aftermarket kits available but its easier to swap an airbag than change springs and i get to keep the variable ride height.

I was aware of the secondary air pump but apparently its just as easy to get it mapped out as replaced and in doesn't affect running, do you agree?

Outback has been brilliant, and whilst i like the 2003 onwards model SWMBO doesn't, she really likes the ice cream van like Forester and the squared off van like rear and would like the extra poke, she likes anonymity too, so any badges referring to XT will be removed.

I didn't know the XC70 AWD system is fragile, thats ruled out now because SWMBO puts her cars through their paces, the Subaru system gives almost no trouble at all, and even quite in depth servicing is fairly basic and simple on the marque as you know, we wouldn't rule a 2.0 litre XT out if the right one came along, it has to be automatic regardless, she's a very good manual box driver but can't be bothered with it any more, we're trying to find 60k or less miles to date.

I'd like to know which Subaru forum to peruse if you wouldn't mind, maybe a clue so Avant doesn't get a flea in his ear from the gaffer and passes the rollicking down the line :-)

Edited by gordonbennet on 26/02/2018 at 15:33

any - road salting, corrosion to come - corax

I have the same issue on the Landcruiser, which being an LC5 has adjustable dampers all round, they are really expensive being OE only, and the rear axle is on air springs, but the ride and handling are so good, wet grip quite amazing for the size of it, that i'm prepared to pay the extra should i get failures, for some years yet in order to preserve the handling, aftermarket kits available but its easier to swap an airbag than change springs and i get to keep the variable ride height.

I was aware of the secondary air pump but apparently its just as easy to get it mapped out as replaced and in doesn't affect running, do you agree?

I'd like to know which Subaru forum to peruse if you wouldn't mind, maybe a clue so Avant doesn't get a flea in his ear from the gaffer and passes the rollicking down the line :-)

Admittedly there needs to be a bit more care with the manual box Foresters. First is low and won't be hurried unless virtually at a standstill, and you have to be fairly sympathetic with the clutch to avoid transmission shunt at low speeds, being permanent four wheel drive. The auto will be easier, especially in traffic. Also, reverse on the manual is non synchromesh. A change to aftermarket synthetic gearbox oil transforms the change into first and reverse when cold, and makes the whole gearbox a joy to use. That low first coupled with all wheel drive is very useful on busy wet roundabouts, you can get out safely and quickly.

Yes, now you've asked the secondary pump can be mapped out, at the risk of incurring comments from other forum users about legality :-)

I tend to browse subaruforester.org which has a European section, and Subaru Owners Club - the Forester section. The mechanic on the latter is known as Mr B, I haven't asked anything personally, but he has been extremely helpful to other forum members in terms of saving money, and getting around specific problems, worth his weight in gold I reckon.

Interesting about Land Cruisers ride because most of the official road testers say it's fidgety, on the other hand most of the owners reviews comment on how comfortable it is, it depends what you're comparing it to.

When I mentioned the chassis limitations, I was thinking mainly of the front brakes. They are not the biggest - the calipers are twin pot unlike the Imprezas, yet they are dealing with 230bhp. They will stop the car but they don't have BMW like bite, and feel a bit spongy as standard. It's something you get used to.

Edited by corax on 26/02/2018 at 17:07

any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet
Yes, now you've asked the secondary pump can be mapped out, at the risk of incurring comments from other forum users about legality :-)

excellent.

I tend to browse subaruforester.org which has a European section, and Subaru Owners Club -

When I mentioned the chassis limitations, I was thinking mainly of the front brakes. They are not the biggest - the calipers are twin pot unlike the Imprezas, yet they are dealing with 230bhp. They will stop the car but they don't have BMW like bite, and feel a bit spongy as standard. It's something you get used to.

Thankyou.

Regarding the Subaru brakes, even the H6 only has standard calipers, though the fitment of Brembo pads has improved things, i shall certainly look at swapping the front calipers and discs over to WRX or ST standards if the hoped for XT comes to pass.

Ironically the Landcruiser has 4 opposed piston fixed calipers on the front and twin opposed piston to the rear, with large vented discs to the rear for overkill, shod with Brembo pads the brakes are frankly astonishing, if anything too light for my tastes.

I take little notice of most testers views about cars, they have different ideas about vehicles to me in general, almost to the point that their dismissal of a product has become recommendation, this place is a notable exception.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Andrew-T

It'll rain soon - going for a drive in that will spray-clean the undersides.

.... with salty water ..... :-(

any - road salting, corrosion to come - craig-pd130

Do you have any plans for the spring, such as underbody cleaning or other rust prevention measures, and will you get someone to strip clean and lube the brakes properly before the caliper makers have to up production in order to supply enough to replace the seizures.

My bike gets the ACF-50 treatment on its shiny bits in late October, before the first grit & salt gets spread, and the calipers get a two-yearly strip, clean and grease on the sliding pins.

The cars get ignored ... they're all less than 3 years old so have good rustproofing.

My old BGT V8 had a high-pressure Waxoyl spray job (which properly 'misted' the stuff, rather than squirting it) in all the structural bits when I got it. The job held up well.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - skidpan

There has been a serious amount of salt put down on the roads this winter, the south probably as bad as north of the border, and our cars are all going to suffer from it.

It might have been a serious amount down south but up here its been perfectly normal. Its never caused me an issue and I am not about start panicing now.

Neighbour one side has a 55 plate Suzuki which has no rust and the neighbour the other side has a 08 plate Avensis with no rust. 3 doors away they have an 02 plate Volvo V40 with no rust.

Just get on with life, nothing bad will happen to your car. When it rains next week all the salt will go down the drains and your car will get a nice wash underneath with far more water than you pretend to put under it with jet washers or hosepipes once a year.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - CK91437

Fit mud flaps. This will stop most of the crap reaching the underside of your cars.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - bathtub tom

Fit mud flaps. This will stop most of the crap reaching the underside of your cars.

You're not worried about the mudflap fittings breaking the paint and causing corrosion?

any - road salting, corrosion to come - madf

Fit mud flaps. This will stop most of the crap reaching the underside of your cars.

You're not worried about the mudflap fittings breaking the paint and causing corrosion?

The mudflaps on our Yaris were fitted by me in 2005 when we bought it at 2 years old. No paint corrosion at all.(there were poly sheets iirc fitting over te epaint at contact points (it was an original Toyota mudflaps set)

We get lots of road salt every year and I travel lots of single tarck roads covered with mud and cow/horse excrement. The only thing I do is hose under wheel arches and along sill bottoms every time I wash the car. And visually inspect and re-Dinitrol 4941 on dodgy bits.- every three years. And repaint exhausts every 3-5 years. (The Yaris one is 15 years old and like 3 years old).

Of course if you won a Mercedes from 1995-2005 nothing you can do to prevent it dissolving :-)

any - road salting, corrosion to come - RT

Fit mud flaps. This will stop most of the crap reaching the underside of your cars.

Nah - it protects the first 20cm behind each wheel arch, no more.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet

RT, i can't leave it to just the rain, been under too many nearly new cars in my time and seen what left on salt does.

Nellyjack, what on earth do the Japanese use on their roads, there is Forester XT Sports Cross for sale at the moment at sensible money, its just been imported, yes i know it will be in pristine condition underneath but its not a model that came here and i imagine our simple and cheap insurance renewals will suddenly become a major headache and we will come to regret it, two minds about it, its the later shape body, circa 2005 to 2009, but with the 2.0 litre instead of the 2.5 engine which the later shell was fitted with in UK cars.

Andrew T...:-) if i use water splash, and i do during the winter, its by running through one of two local fords a few times, rainstorms are ok but when you see the tons of salt that get spilled and over ejected on junctions and roundabouts, that amount will take weeks to dissolve come the spring.

Craig pd, yes i have some AC50 but tend to use it where it can't get washed off, it is indeed very sticky stuff, sounds like a pro did the Waxoyling on the B?

Skipdpan, you don't have the same issues as some others, you run new cars and swap them regularly, people like me don't want new cars (i don't like anything new for sale in this country currently) and we want our older choices to last, and be as solid and mechanically and bodily sound as we can keep them, hence the preventative measures.

CK, yes mudflaps do help, but good quality well fitting ones are difficult to find and the genuine article can be scandalous money, and thay all need hosing around or they themselves become salt traps.

BT, ill fitting flaps that damage tend to be accessory shop rubbish don't they?, though its easy to forget they are fitted and trap them when reversing which does more harm than if they hadn't been fitted in the first place.

Madf, you look after your cars anyway, and the time they last is proof.

RT, mudflaps are good for sill abrasion protection behind the front wheels in particular, or at least i've seen big differences in the condition of vehicles fitted and those not, though its entirely possible those who fit flaps care about their cars more than the average owner anyway.

Edited by gordonbennet on 26/02/2018 at 12:17

any - road salting, corrosion to come - nellyjak

Nellyjack, what on earth do the Japanese use on their roads, there is Forester XT Sports Cross for sale at the moment at sensible money, its just been imported, yes i know it will be in pristine condition underneath but its not a model that came here and i imagine our simple and cheap insurance renewals will suddenly become a major headache and we will come to regret it, two minds about it, its the later shape body, circa 2005 to 2009, but with the 2.0 litre instead of the 2.5 engine which the later shell was fitted with in UK cars.

I'm not aware they use anything tbh...other than Winter tyres/snow chains etc.

As for buying an import.?...personally I haven't found any problems..yes, maybe the insurance is a little higher but not massively so.

I haven't found any problem in sourcing parts either...and in the UK.!

I'm afraid you'll get the often typical sniffy nose reception certainly at main dealers...they speak of grey imports as some sort of incurable disease brought on by the very devil himself....but that's because they are fundamentally lazy beggars who can't be @rsed.!

But that's typical for the UK...let's not have anything different for goodness sake,.!!

(yet they are basically the same car that they deal with every day in many cases)..go figure.

I do know that you can get a lot of vehicle for your money...and at usually much higher specs than usual...but you have to be comfortable with it and accept you may have to hunt around a little more than usual for info etc...personally I haven't regretted it.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Snakey

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - gordonbennet

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

So am i missing out on a good area to buy from, because generally i try to buy cars that have lived life the further south the better.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - skidpan

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

Really. I think you will find they need to grit later this week so never is a little bit of an exageration.

I may believe you if you lived in Florida.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Snakey

Ok - never may be a slight exageration, but not much

The last batch of snow we had, one of the major roads had an actual visible line where the neigbouring council stopped their gritting and Durham council didn't start.

And that is a main dual carriageway and busy bus route, so you can imagine how they regard smaller roads.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Engineer Andy

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

Looks like they may need to from today for the next few days - temps down to -4degC and lots of heavy snow in the region forecast.

They've been out gritting quite a lot round my way in Hertfordshire, even when I don't think the weather has warranted it. I suspect they'll be out today and for the next few days though, as even we will have some snow (though not as much oop North) as well as temperatures around the -4 or -5 degC mark overnight.

Anyone notice (especially when walking and a gritting lorry passes by, actively gritting) that the grit they spread really stinks? Horrible smell that stuff.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - corax

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

Looks like they may need to from today for the next few days - temps down to -4degC and lots of heavy snow in the region forecast.

Does it actually work in overnight heavy snow though? It gets overwhelmed, then we will get all the usual armageddon headlines and chaos.

Maybe Durham council realize this and are saving the precious salt for another 1963 scenario :-)

Edited by corax on 26/02/2018 at 14:05

any - road salting, corrosion to come - bathtub tom

Anyone notice (especially when walking and a gritting lorry passes by, actively gritting) that the grit they spread really stinks? Horrible smell that stuff.

I remember reading some years ago they added molasses to the stuff to make it 'stick' better. Perhaps that's what you can smell.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Andrew-T

<< Anyone notice (especially when walking and a gritting lorry passes by, actively gritting) that the grit they spread really stinks? Horrible smell that stuff. >>

I would guess that any smell may be due to some anti-caking chemical added to the mix. Does anyone distinguish Gritting from Salting? - they aren't necessarily the same thing. The overhead signs round here advise 'Salt Spreading' - tho the trucks are always called Gritters .....

any - road salting, corrosion to come - skidpan

I live in Durham so its not a problem.

They never grit.

As i suspected they do indeed grit. Here is a link to the gritting map for today.

maps.durham.gov.uk/gritting/index.aspx?appid=1

If they did not grit/salt (whatever you want to call it) there would be widespead disruption and any accidents that resulted from a lack of Council action would almost certainly see the highways department in court.

As I suspected, to suggest they do not grit was just plain stupid.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - skidpan

0700 today, could hear the whine of a Municipal vehicle outside, thught b*****, forgot to put the bin out then realised its only Tuesday. Looked outside and saw it was a roadsweeper who was probably cleaning up the salt his colleagues had spread liberally last evening just before the snow arrives, great planning.

1110 today. Road sweeper goes up again,why??? its not like there is any mud out there to clean up.

any - road salting, corrosion to come - Snakey

Oh of course, it says it on the map therefore it must be true. Councils never lie, or send out empty gritters for show do they.

You don't live here, I do, and I drive on roads that have not been gritted.

Suggesting otherwise when you haven't been here is just plain stupid.

We did have some ploughing on the A1M though, different agency for that though.

Edited by Snakey on 27/02/2018 at 12:48