B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic

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Wed 20 Nov 2013 14:13
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Sir Lancelot
Is the Ford PowerShift Automatic a reliable gearbox? Does it still provide creep in the same way as a "proper" automatic when no throttle is applied?
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Wed 20 Nov 2013 14:27
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - RT
Is the Ford PowerShift Automatic a reliable gearbox? Does it still provide creep in the same way as a "proper" automatic when no throttle is applied?

No and no!

DSGs from all manufacturers are struggling to establish any reputation for reliability - the lack of creep and poor low speed control are the main areas of concern to those changing from conventional automatics.

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Thu 21 Nov 2013 04:47
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Sir Lancelot

Thanks, that rules them out for me as I have a very narrow drive and need creep to get a wing mirror within one inch of the wall, been managing it in this house for the last 50 years.

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Thu 21 Nov 2013 22:16
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Richard M

I don't have any experience of the B Max auto but our Smax auto definitely has the creep facility.

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Fri 22 Nov 2013 01:19
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Sir Lancelot

Smax auto definitely has the creep facility

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Interesting, must check that out when we return from West Australia as I've always liked Fords. Have been considering a Vauhxall Meriva as it has a "proper" auto-box, but I've never had a Vauxhall.

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Fri 22 Nov 2013 09:11
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - 72 dudes

I think you might find the S-Max too wide for your driveway, regardless of creep!

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Fri 22 Nov 2013 01:20
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Sir Lancelot

Smax auto definitely has the creep facility

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Interesting, must check that out when we return from West Australia as I've always liked Fords. Have been considering a Vauhxall Meriva as it has a "proper" auto-box, but I've never had a Vauxhall.

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Fri 22 Nov 2013 11:07
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - KB.
Is the Ford PowerShift Automatic a reliable gearbox? Does it still provide creep in the same way as a "proper" automatic when no throttle is applied?

No and no!

DSGs from all manufacturers are struggling to establish any reputation for reliability - the lack of creep and poor low speed control are the main areas of concern to those changing from conventional automatics.

The 7 speed DSG in my Yeti DOES creep.

The poor low speed control IS NOT the main area of concern to those changing from TC boxes.

The reliability factor IS debatable. Very many have run to high mileages without issue. Some have had problems that are sufficiently well documented as not to warrant repetition here but a blanket condemnation isn't, in my view, appropriate.

I have one, so have an element of experience on which to call. Don't know if the detractors here have owned one.

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Thu 21 Nov 2013 22:44
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Avant

This is a more general point so moved to Motoring.

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Fri 22 Nov 2013 07:42
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - daveyjp
Audi DSG creeps too. Whether it does or not depends how the system is set up. Some don't engage the clucth until gas is applied, so no creep, example smart. Others engage as soon as the brakes are off, such as Audi.

Mercedes now use a twin cltch auto auto in some models so this is a new entrant to watch for problems emerging.
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Sun 24 Nov 2013 03:26
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - Honestjohn

I have always found the Ford/Getrag Powershift to be excellent: in the Focus II and III, in the C-Max, in the S-Max and in the Mondeo. You don't have to brake to move the lever from N to D, which overcomes the reson for the hesitation with DSGs and s-tronics. I've abused the system fairly violently while stopping and re-starting duting single handed filming. Had complaints about Powershift with a 2.0TDCI Focus, but the resaon for that turned out to be a clogged DPF. Currently trying to get to the bottom of a jerkiness with a Focus 1.6 petrol Powershift. It does require fresh fluid and microfilter every 2-3 years, which is £200. Powershift is now available to order for the Fiesta 1.0 EcoBoost with deliveries from December. Apparently the small engine Powershift is twin dry clutch, not twin wet clutch like the Powershift with bigger engines, but have yet to confirm this.

HJ

Edited by Honestjohn on 24/11/2013 at 03:28

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Sun 24 Nov 2013 10:24
B-MaxB-MAX - Ford PowerShift Automatic - nortones2

Honda (or whoever makes the transmission for them) are said to have a TC element in their dual-clutch set up for the Jazz. I'm not sure how that works, but I guess the TC takes on the role of providing the creep function, and while moving off from rest. Allowing the clutches to remain fully engaged, only actuated when gears are to be swapped. TC lock-up when moving at or over a predetermined speed.

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