So when we produce cars after Brexit, we will ignore EU regulations and sell no cars in Europe.

Where did I say we should produce no EU compliant models? Let me know please.

I wonder if the Mondeo as a 'World Car' has one version that meets every reg, everywhere, in the world.

I suspect not.

Edited by mss1tw on 26/06/2016 at 20:52

I agree ORB, its all a storm in a tea cup being fabricated by a bitter, resentful fraction of the remainers who thought they would never lose.

On another forum I stated I didn't care if Germany don't want to sell us cars, as they would be the losers and I could go and buy a Volvo or Lexus. The best the idiot could reply with was "your Volvo is built in Belgium".

There is a whole world of alternatives out there. Does any of these Pro EU'ers realise that?

One part of all this amuses me.

"we are going to do the uk no favours in exit talks"

Where is the predicted bank/currency crash?

Don't want to sell me a german/italian/spanish etc car.. ok

Don't want me to buy Euro fruit/wine/veg?

Don't want me to holiday in europe, ok. ( can afford to fly further afield where my presence will be appreciated.)

Don't want me to buy aldi lidl goods ok.

As it is with the current situation I cannot drive to the "continent" as it is no longer safe to pass through northern france by any of the major routes by road or rail, so bypass it by air, and so on...

Did I not here one of the VW execs saying that they didn't want to lose our market....

Just for germany what is the total of their sales in the uk?

I have lived and worked in europe, speak french fluently and german and italian enough to get by day to day.

There will be problems ahead, Our Country will recover from the present bit of fuss.

What happens if the government vote against it, I heard there are calls from some MP`s to vote against leaving?

What money? Oil is well below the profit line for the forseeable future, and North Sea gas is rapidly running out (at least our share). Who do you think bailed out RBS? It wasn't the Scottish taxpayer.

Oh please! We don't have that much of the stuff! The SNP relied on the oil price being well over $100 just to break even, let alone 'make Scotland rich'. Hence why they want to remin in the EU, to get all those nice handouts designed for 'poor' countries. Scotland's economy/population is 10x less than England's, so do the Maths. The UK is a SERVICE economy, not a manufacturing/engineering one. That stopped 35+ years ago.

YOU do the maths!

5 million people in charge of their own assets would have had the ability to have set up a reserve like Norway.

We don't want handouts like you insult. Just the ability to be in charge of our own affairs.

Sound familiar?

Yes, but you (presumably you're a Scot) had your chance in 2014 and the country voted to stay within the UK. Everyone knew there would be another referrendum on the EU and the risk of leaving, and voted accordingly. Also, oil prices are low (gas running out too on our side of the North Sea) and will likely remain so for some time - no money coming in from that then to pay the bills, and no UK exchequer to bankroll defecit spending.

You can have another referrendum just because this week some people feel differently. A week ago, there was a much higher pecentage (in a poll) against independence. Once the dust has settled over Brexit, things may change again. Will you have another one each time opinion swings for or against? Or if a Scottish city votes against leaving the UK - will they remain as an 'enclave' as some idiot (bad loser) Remainers are advocating for London as well as Scotland?

I wonder, if Scotland does at some point vote again and do so how you wish, maybe the rest of the UK (and especially England) says you can, as long as you pay back the money we lent you to bail out RBS, and by the way - no Pound - you want the EU, use the Euro. And we won't underwrite any of your banks any more or budget deficits, as the SNP demand. You can't have your cake and eat it.

I fully expected some short-to-medium term pain for the UK if we voted out of the EU, but the long term gain would be far better, not just for us in the UK, but for the other EU nations, as a 'last chance' wake up call to change for the better before the 'Project' dies in an unedifying mess that would cause far more serious and long-term problems than Brexit will ever do.

Unlike some Remainers, I respect the decisions of the 48% who didn't vote Out and will try as best I can to accommodate them as far as possible, but you have to respect the decision overall, just as the one in your homeland in 2014.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 29/06/2016 at 01:18

So you think we should vote how the Japanese tell us?

How is it that Ford closed the Transit factory in Southampton and opened it in Turkey with EU money?

British people worked at the Transit factory making vans and paid their taxes. Some of these taxes went to the EU and they used some of it to give to Turkey so they could make vans there. What sense is there in any of that?

The best thing we've done for many a year is to leave the undemocratic corrupt EU. Britain will prosper in the years to come, just watch it.

Why does the way a person voted have any bearing on the quality of a persons work? It does not, is the answer.

In this instance, it does. As Nissan bosses wrote to workers to explain the situation. It shows a due disregard, and tells me Nissan Sunderland workers don't take their job seriously. It shows a complate lack of loyalty.

Of course it does not, what a load of nonsense. So to take your job seriously did YOU vote the way your boss told you to?

If you employ someone who has pride, in their work and they do great work. But if someone shows two fingers to the boss, well it shows in the work.

It was on this forum, I read the Qashqai did not do so well in the reliability index. I spoke to a 2015 Qashqai owner who said he he issues with his new car and the dealer was unable to resolve it.

If a car is badly designed, the people assembling the parts in the factory cannot and do not have any bearing on it's reliability or durability.

Who is showing 2 fingers to their boss? Do you do everything your boss demands of you, which isn't part of your job description? If you do, you live in some dickensian world far from where I live.

"The votes were the feelings of the people, not how their employers told them to vote."

A Soviet era leader once said "A person shouldn't s*** where he is about to eat."

I could give you details of the CCCP to a much greater level of detail than you can imagine.

What you are describing is not a Soviet thing, It's something that Saddam Hussein did to his people. They voted how he told them to or else.

Warning - Sound like to me you're a 'yes' man at work! You're boss can tell you how to go about your job, but outside of work he or she is an equal person to you in the eyes of the law and can't tell you how to vote or coerce you on way or the other.

Just as a long line of so-called experts and celebs have been either (defacto IMO) bribed, coerced or have a personal/financial/political vested interest in the UK staying in (never minding the consequences to everyone else), I'd have rather heard from people giving an honest opinion as to their view and experience of what may happen either way, not what suits them for selfish reasons, or they've been told to say for one reason or another.

Very few such opinions were voiced during the campaign, and as someone who considered both sides of the argument for a long time, and wasn't swayed by the lies and threats (mainly on the Remian side, but some [including some by Farage on the Leave side]) - I don't take kindly to such behaviour (quite a British trait), I stand by my decision to vote to leave last Thursday.

If we had not been lied to again and again by both our own (mostly useless) politicians and those from the EU about what this country actually signed up for, the direction they wanted the EU to go (i.e. a free trade bloc with decent co-operation in other areas of mutual interest, such as security and the environment - NOT the creation on the sly of a European state and central government, making the UK parliament like a County Council, with no democratic way of removing those in charge at EU level) and no corruption in spending across the board/pathetic foreign affairs/Euro farce, I might've voted to stay in. Sadly that was patently NOT the case.

All this is both a wake-up call/slap in the face and a final warning to the other EU politicians and Commission to either seriously change the direction, style and conduct of the EU or it will collapse. Forcing nations and peoples together that aren't all on the same wavelength, or for that matter, that friendly towards one another is akin to forcing a warring couple to stay married: only disaster will be the result without a divorce and a mutual distance and respect for each other's opinions.

We may eventually have a proper European government (still with nations), but unless and until all these other problems have been resolved, both internally in each nation and regionally, nothing good can come out of a forced-together bloc. I suspect even this were to happen, it wouldn't do so for at least 100 years, possibly more.

Too many problems have been (artificially) swept under the proverbial carpet in pretending all the EU nations get on like they love each other, so perhaps they can start to address them in a grown-up and rational way. I somehow doubt it at the moment - not enough level-headed people in charge/putting themselves up for politicial office, and too many who do are either 'vanilla'/Blairite/corrupt/extremist candidates who are more content to serve themselves or extreme ideas.

Edited by Engineer Andy on 26/06/2016 at 18:00

Indeed - I suspect the vast majority of young people who didn't vote were only concerned about two things on the day - 1. Which political party is going to pay for their 3 year 'holiday' at uni (

Do you ever speak to young people Andy?

I have a couple of colleagues in their twenties. One very is very politically aware and voted Clear from what she says though that she's from a politicaly active family. Another, a law graduate aiming for the Inns of Court, and now around 24 told me she's never voted. Questioning revealed complete disengagement from the process. Simply doesn't see anything offered as relevant to her. Says many of her friends are the same.

This is quite amusing, taken from Liberal Vision blog.

“People are sick and tired of parties not doing what they say they will do after elections… for example the hated regime of my predecessor… And that is why we must put that legacy behind us… by not respecting the result of this election… or the one in 2015 that led to this election… where the foolish Prime Minister, made a promise, and kept it.

No... those were not real elections… they were elections marked by lies… dirty, dirty, filthy lies… told by dirty filthy liars… who are probably racists… or nazis… or nazi racists… who hate democracy… that is why these stolen votes… stolen by dirty, filthy nazi, racists, who stereotype other people with their hate and prejudice… cannot be allowed to count…

On our side who reasonably pointed out the risks of world war 3… the end of western civilisation… and that jobs were at risk.

These were hard facts… Look the PM has already lost his job… Well at least he will do in October… And Jeremy Corbyn should do… That’s almost 3 million already.

What is important is that need to have another election…. An election for decent clever people that gets the right result…
An election where only experts will be allowed to make the case… experts from places where decent clever people live… like Islington… or much further afield… like Camden… We need diversity of opinion… from people thinking for themselves… all saying the same thing.

It is only through this process… that we can restore trust in politics… and politicians… except the ones I just called dirty filthy liars… who cannot be trusted…

To the Electoral Commission comrades… we must seize the means of the ballot from the hated Government of dirty lying promise keepers.”

This is worth a read though.

johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-british-said-no-to...e

Good gracious, is JP still around pilgerizing away in his inimitable fashion? I thought he was dead.

This has been an interesting debate focusing on the economic arguments, but the real reason for the 'leave' result is the disturbing and unsettling effect of excess uncontrolled immigration upon the hundreds of cities, towns and villages of provincial England. Unlike the USA of 100yrs ago, England is perceived as being full, overcrowded and incapable of further expansion. Immigrants might well contribute more to the exchequer than the benefits they receive, but this is at the expense of the indigenous population who have no special talents or qualifications - i.e. ordinary people to whom the chattering middle classes hardly ever relate in any depth (e.g.Gordon Brown and his 'bigoted woman').

I agree with earlier posts. This is thread for general Discussion, as has been the case for some time since the referendum was announced.

I repeat my comments on the GD section.

We have had the referendum!

The people have made their choice!

Now 'man up' and live with it!

It seems that remainers wanted democracy, as long as it delivers the result they wished. Well, tough. get over it and get on with it.

Cheers Concrete

Well said, RT. The villain of the piece is Jean Claude Juncker. When Cameron couldn't get a decent deal it became impossible to sell it to the nation with the conviction that was needed. Just like de Gaulle's "non" of 1963 and 1967, Juncker basically kicked us out and must bear full responsibility for the effect of that. He's not very popular in Germany. (Meanwhile, the average English person seems to be more upset about losing a football match.)

The Juncker/Cameron issue is (arguably) a symptom of latter's failure to engage diplomatically with Europe during the coalition era. Cameron set out, against the majoroty view, to oppose Juncker's appointment to point of trying to veto.

Maybe if Labour MP's returned to representing, instead of telling them how to think, their natural voters the genuine working class that is, this crisis wouldn't be happening.

We are living through a period of history in the making.

If they are so principled let them resign from parliament and trigger 42 by-elections and see which way their electorate in their own seats would vote.

Never going to happen is it?

What a strange rationale.

Is it?

They do not wish to serve under the current leader. They may well be deselected by the forces of momentum and the unions.

Why not provoke a real debate, and if the unions do not select them let them stand as independents.

The electorate in their constituancy could then choose if that is the person they really want to represent them or if they want a yes man/woman.

I was a traditional labour voter till the 1979 election following on the winter of discontent, and after that worked outside the uk for more than 20 years, noting the increasing lunacy of some peoples policies, saying I won't get fooled again in 1997..

The current rabble reminds me of the bullying of the EU who will squeeze till it hurts to get a re-run referendum to get the result they want. They have got form...

Edited by oldroverboy. on 27/06/2016 at 19:59

Since 1997 when an open border policy was adopted, we've all suffered from ever crowded roads, hospitals, doctors waiting rooms and schools.

A lot more youngsters voted remain than leave and I suspect it's because they haven't had the problems of trying to get their children in to a local school or book regular appointments to see a doctor.

Very surprised to see the statistic that only 36% of 18 to 24 year old's bothered to vote.

Youngsters voted remain because moving internationaly for work, study etcis as much part of their lives as their I-phones. They queue for the Doctor like everyone else. The person in front of them is their great-grandma......

Getting into local schools and the dodges/house price bingo to do so was going on in the seventies.