Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - keith kirwan

Hi all,

I have a 66 plate E class from new, i do mostly motorway miles and recently started getting a shuddering in the steering wheel when i braked, it didnt happen everytime i braked which i found unusual. There are currently 44,000miles on the clock and almost time for my third service.

On my 1st service at 15000 miles the service record says my pads were 10% worn, my 2nd service at 30000 miles were at 20% worn and now before my 3rd service the Mercedes dealership is telling me i need all my discs and pads replaced as they are 90% worn!! i am obviously disagreeing with the dealership as i previously mentioned i do mostly motorway miles and absolutely do not drive the car hard so i do not have to brake hard in turn.

The dealership took my car in a few weeks back and the head technician took my car for a drive and said he didnt experience any shuddering in the steering wheel under braking but did advise i had a warped front driver side disc. When i asked if they could explain why it was warped but the head technician got no shuddeting when braking as i would expect this with a warped disc i got a blank stare. i then asked for a reason as to why the disc had warped, i was told it could be due to the disc getting hot under braking then water from the road splashing on the disc making it warp, i then exploded with a certain amount of rage in the reception of the dealership with their constant lies. Everyone should stop driving their car in the wet for fear of warping a brake disc!!!!!!

I personally think there is a defect with the braking system if all pads and discs now need changing after 44k miles, especially with the huge deterioration from 30k miles to 44k miles, have any other E class drivers had any issues with their brakes? They are aksing me to pay for the pads and discs and as a goodwill gesture they will waive the labour which i have point blank refused to pay so we are at logger heads now!

Thanks in advance for any replies/advice.

Regards

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Cris_on_the_gas

I don't agree with the service scheduling most if not all main dealers perform. The road wheels are not removed but the discs and pads given a visual inspection and if your lucky a squirt of brake cleaner gets applied and hopefully reaches the appropriate parts. Gone are the days when the wheels were removed, pads removed and calipers given a good clean and check. In addition a good visual inspection of both disc surfaces. Reassembly using a smear of copper grease.

Discs and pads are service items, most likely because the brakes have not been serviced correctly the calipers are sticking and causing the wear you describe.

Regarding the disc warping could be caused by leaving the foot brake applied when stationary after braking to a stop. Heat transfer is different through the pads than fresh air and hence the warping. Advice would be to use the handbrake for longer stops, this also stops dazzling the driver behind with high power brake lights.

I would say the defect with the braking system is that it has not beed serviced properly since new. That would be my lever to them, but they will most likely just say that is MB service schedule.

Good luck, and update on your progress.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - daveyjp
The percentage stuff means nothing.

At my last service I was told my pads were about 50% worn, but in reality it means 75% of the useable pad surface has worn as you don't run brakes until the pads have competely gone.

Once they are at about 75% pad depth wear you are close to 100% useable wear, so it is worth considering a change,

A decent garage will change brakes on a Merc and for half the cost of a dealer. I was quoted over £600 for full disk and pad renewal on a B class, I paid just shy of £300. They will also do a run out check while you are there so you can see if they disks are worn.

Alternatively buy a cheap DTI gauge and stand and you can do it yourself.

Thank the dealer and take it to an indie the garage that show you the issue.
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - John F

Thanks in advance for any replies/advice

At 44,000 mainly motorway miles and responsible driving, I think the rear pads will show little sign of wear and the rear discs will be almost pristine. I would remove a front wheel and have a look for yourself at the front pads. If the pad is still as thick as the back plate you've got oodles of miles left. You wont actually see any disc warping, but they should be good for tens more thousands of miles (our Ford Focus discs lasted nearly 100,000m, MB's should be as least as good). I have an Audi A8 which shudders a bit on fast hard braking (original discs, 64,000m) - unless you are a perfectionist I would put up with it, it's not dangerous. I change pads when the most worn one is down to about 1mm (they never wear precisely equally). If you leave it until you start getting metal to metal, quite apart from the dreadful noise and reduced braking ability, the iron dust knackers alloy wheels and is very difficult to get off.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - daveyjp
I also forgot to add if my entry level B class had brake pad depth warning the E class will definately have it.

I suspect the garage is trying to increase income, but also possibly doing you a favour by replacing now, rather than you getting a warning in a couple of months and you needing to take time out to get them replaced.

If you do have warning aystem wait until it activates and then find an indie!

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Brit_in_Germany

The likelihood of an iron disk several mm thick "warping" is also pretty far fetched. Brake juddering can be down to brake pad material becoming deposited on the disk due to keeping your foot on the brake after you have come to a stop and the disks are hot. One way to remove this material is to find a quiet road and repeatedly apply the brakes heavily.

Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 27/04/2018 at 14:32

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - gordonbennet

Some good points above, friction material transfer is indeed a possible, as are slightly sticking calipers/sliders causing the pads not to release as fully as they should.

Simplicity itself to check the pad depth yourself, then you'll know whether to use that garage again.

Another possibility, exacerbated by the excess salt used this winter, i wonder if the rear brakes are giving as much effort as they should on partial braking so the fronts are doing too much of the work.

It might be worth asking a good indy (MB specialists are around if you prefer) to service the brakes properly, ie strip clean and lube up with the correct silicon brake grease.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - S Akbar
Hi,

I have 16 reg , e220 amg line , I bought as approved use from mercedes and I had the same problem when ever u apply brakes the steering vibrates and it’s very annoying, it was only 20,000 miles driven , so I went to mercedes they said they have to change discs and pads , so changed after one week the same problem , now this time they are saying they have to change brake hub.
I think it’s manufacturing problem, if u had same issue please let me know then so that I can speak and discuss it further with Mercedes Benz Germany head office .

Regards
Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Oli rag

If there is some dirt or corrosion on the hub face and it's not removed when the old disc is taken off to leave a really flat surface, a new disc can be ruined in a short time. This could be what has happened .Now the get out for the dealer is to fit new hub and discs.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Falkirk Bairn

Service schedules on many makes are little more than oil & filter change+ visual checks - little actually pulled apart & cleaned...

Service schedules on many cars do not include a wheels off, pads out, lubrication......at best they see a squirt of brake cleaner.

The result of "brake neglect" are sticking pistons / uneven pad wear which can lead to brake discs heating & failing to cool result is warping.

I pay my Indie an extra £50+Vat for a brake strip down every 2 years when in for a service - a lot cheaper than new discs.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Mark Gladwell

Hi John

My 66 plate E350, bought new , serviced regularly, garaged with only 11,000 miles on the clock has developed a braking shudder. I presented today to my dealer to sort out under warranty. Not long ago they rang to tell me that the car required new discs and pads on both front wheels at a cost of £476. Like you I refused to accept that it was my driving that caused the problem, and requested that they refer the matter to Mercedes. The result was nothing from Mercedes but the dealer would reduce the labour cost and give me a discount on the parts a new total of £400. Not acceptable. The Company I own runs many Company cars, vans and LGV's and none of these require new discs in my ownership. Admittedly none are Mercedes but they can do 100,0000 + while in our ownership. Service reception at the Mecedes dealershio I use never seem to let owners speak to mechanics every thing seem to be done through a receptionist. In this case I asked what the problem was she went away and came back to say that the discs looked scuffed, what that implies I have no idea. I plan to see if I can get a second opinion and via Which see if I can get some satisfaction. This is my third E350 and it no longer seems to mean anything to the dealership. I could go on about the poor after sales service when almaost all the electronics failed to work when new and I had to spend hours downloading many software updates to get to do what it should have done when I received. There many other faults.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Fernando P

Could be that one/two of the alloy front wheels has had a knock and is slightly warped, with the uneven running felt when braking is connected.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - Jon Burns

We recently purchase a pre reg 2019 e220 AMG line estate direct from Mercedes. Fabulous car. Drove to Hungary a month later and by Germany the car shuddered under braking. Mercedes got the car after much ado to the local Mercedes in Hungary who replaced the pads and brakes. Sorted or so we thought. Drove home 6 weeks later only for it to happen again. Rejected the car and they took it back without even checking it - suspiciously like there is an issue with the model.

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W213 - Mercedes E class brake issues - ukdave2002

I bought my current E Class estate, new in Jan 17, its cover 28,000 miles and is on its 4th yes 4th set of front discs and pads. When the 3rd set were fitted the dealer performed a suspension bush modification, however the problem returned. The symptoms have always been a vibration, the dealer had confirmed in every case that the disk have too much run out (slightly warped).

All of this has been covered by warranty without quibble. I suspect a lot of people would not have complained as it never been really bad, I restore old cars as a hobby so probably notice these things more than most.

To provide some context on how hard I drive my previous car was an E Class estate but the previous 212 version, I had it new in 2014, covered around 40,000 miles without a brake disk problem, the car before that did over 75,000 on the same disks and pads.

Dave