Well I thought I\'d start a thread about the thread us guys aren\'t allowed to post in.
I can\'t help but feel that HJ\'s Girltalk thread isn\'t exactly being welcomed by the females amongst us, PG especially seems to be a tad annoyed at the suggestion that the ladies would like special treatment, and I can\'t say I blame her, it does seem a tad politically incorrect in this day and age.
I can understand HJ\'s thinking behind it, and I don\'t for one minute want to start biting the hand that feeds us, but I don\'t think that it\'s one of the best ideas he\'s come up with and it\'s probably going to alienate more female readers than it will please.
PP
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I want to make sure I keep this motoring so I will refer first to the mammoth task of setting the distributor points on a 1969 Mustang V-8. Fag papers, feeler gauges, the whole nine yards. Intution, insight and ingenuity. Rocket science not.
It is a continual source of amazement that in that same year America put a man on the Moon.
Now then, you can socially engineer anything you want in Brussels but girls will be girls and boys will be boys no matter what some seat warmer bureaucrat says or some Greenham Common maven might propose on a quiet night on Fox News when the US isn't invading somewhere and there isn't much to talk about.
My girl is one of the boys and she knows it and I know it. She's a helluva rider and she doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. Not to herself and least of all to me. She gets the respect she is due by virtue of the fact she's a stand-up lady.
But there are times she wants to slink off and make bola-bola with Jackie or Marianne or one of them. Stuff they don't want us slobs to hear about. Girls will be girls.
Let us be glad of that.
And HJ you are right on with your "Girltalk" thread.
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HJ,
as you've allowed Growler in hopefully without disabling his account - I'll take a chance.
Perhaps intimidated wasn't the PC word, might I suggest influenced?
I agree with Growler that whilst all the ladies in question are more than capable of holding their own - they do need to visit their feminine side every once in a while.
Perhaps a closed thread not visible to male posters?
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>>Perhaps a closed thread not visible to male posters?
Oh, I don\'t think so.
1) treating women equally and helping them to feel welcome and \"unintimidated\" is not done with a secret thread.
2) in my experience most women are quite capable of standing up for themselves. It is usually that they choose not to take part in an all-male environment rather than any feeling that they can\'t.
3) We have more females in here than you think, some of who choose not to declare it - and why should they since most people don\'t show their own name.
4) This thread would not be my way, but it is HJ\'s approach. I am watching with interest - he\'s been right before.
And we will respect what HJ wants, which is no males in here please. I won\'t disable your account, but I will remove your posting.
Although if you wish to start a thread to discuss it, I will put up with that until it gets boring or repetitive.
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Well it's HJ's site and he says what goes. I've got no problem with it even though I'm not sure it'll atttract much attention. There's plenty of places for girls to 'talk' and I can't help thinking that, so far as the sort of motoring stuff allowed here is concerned, many of our female members might well appreciate the views of some of us guys. That having been said how does anyone necessarily know who's female here? I think there are more women here than it appears and since there have been very few problems of the sort alluded to in HJ's post I don't see the need for 'protection' or indeed forced separation. Active participation in the BR by female contributors is, however to be fully encouaraged. We'll see what happens anyway won't we.
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SWMBO tried to register her own identity on this website. It wasn;t accepted as she used my (ISP) E-mail address. She gave up which is a shame.
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SWMBO tried to register her own identity on this website. It wasn;t accepted as she used my (ISP) E-mail address. She gave up which is a shame.
Pugugly could you not get SWMBO an online e-mail address i.e. one at hotmail, Lycos etc.?
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Davy S.
Oops, where did that screw go!!
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My $0.02 goes with Volvoman.
I would however like to hear more from the fairer sex (can you even say that nowadays without the PC-police leaping all over you?)
Ladies, talk to us. Motoring for you must have its own particular dimensions. We need to learn. My partner has opened my eyes the last few days to some of this.
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I'm with Growler and Growlette on this. But obviously if the Girltalk thread doesn't get used it will simply disappear off page 1. I was quite surprised by the reaction of the English Backroom Girls. Could be because I'm more in tune with the Asian way than the English way anyway.
HJ
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LOL looks like we're 2 of a kind HJ in that regard.
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You can add us to that list G - I'm glad to say Mrs V may not come from as far away as Asia but she has no time for PC and suffers none of the associated hang-ups.
BTW - despite having only 4 'lessons' with me in the last 4 months (due to our various other commitments) her driving is quite miraculous. She mastered the reverse around corner procedure in about 30 mins last week! How's that :)
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I'm not at all surprised by the reaction of the British Backroom girls. Most of the females I know are more than capable of making their voices heard as well as most of the men I know if they wish to without any special help, however well intended. There are exceptions of course, but they are not gender-specific.
I'm old enough to still hold a door open for a female but I also do so for a male. I try to give due respect to anyone, whatever their gender, race, religion etc. That's not being PC, just trying to treat people as I would wish to be treated. If it's thrown back in my face, that person won't get it again.
There are obviously cultural differences between continents, but c'est la vie, chacun a son gout etc etc (sorry, can't be bothered to put the accents on).
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Good for you Nick, we do exactly the same. The problem with PC is how it seems to have made some people believe they should be offended by well meant and consderate actions like yours. In my commuting days I can recall offering my train seat to a woman who looked at me as if I'd just molested her!
To get back to the original point of this discussion, HJ made a similar, considerate and well meant gesture which for some strange reason seems to have been misconstrued by some.
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To get back to the original point of this discussion, HJ made a similar, considerate and well meant gesture which for some strange reason seems to have been misconstrued by some.
Offence is usually taken, rather than given. If I have caused offence, no matter how well intentioned my actions, surely I have to respect the views of those offended rather than ignoring their offence on the grounds of my good intentions?
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I'm probably going to lock this thread later today. I think everything useful which can be said, has been.
The Girl Talk thread remains for people to use or not as they wish.
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Yeah but if we go down that route ND we're all going to be so conscious of not offending anyone we won't do anything at all. How can anyone be offended by someone offering to assist them? Do we realy want to live in a pasteurised society?
Am I more offended by someone holding open a door for me or letting it slam in my face? Surely any genuine offer of help can simply and politely be declined - no offence taken and none given!
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In an ideal world yes, yet every day there are instances of offers of assistance being used as evidence of discrimination. I'm not saying it's right, but it is the reality of the world we live in today.
Mark's right, not a lot more to say without heading down the "It's political correctness gone mad" route. I'm locking the thread, but my email address remains available as ever.
No Dosh
Backroom Moderator
mailto:moderators@honestjohn.co.uk
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