xp, NAV, Norton Security.
Java VM and Sun Java all enabled.
Website has NEVER crashed for me.
Try Microsoft Windows XP help..
madf
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Running XP - same version of explorer as OP - 2 crashes in last 1 hour. Java VM and Sun Java enabled. Other sites don't exhibit same behaviour.
No recent updates.
Hmmm .... might try it on Mozilla
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6.0.2800, Windows 2000, all pop-ups blocked, and crashing on a regular basis - and I'm sure its pure coincidence that it started happening again after a quiet period just as the Volvo advert re-appeared.
Still, if this volvo advert didn't cause problems it wouldn't really fit in very well with any of their other ones which have messed something up to one degree or another in their turn.
The only revenge I can take is to refuse to buy their car and stuidously ignore any messages in their advert - and those two things I shall do - as well as telling all and sundry about such technical incompetence.
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Mark Mod\'s post is potentially libellous and, of course, he has no proof that the Volvo ad is the villain of the piece, so when Volvo sues him he\'ll be stuffed. I allow pop-ups and ads on my pc(I have to to know what\'s going on) and find a Marks and Spencers pop-under sneaking its in behind the site. It may be this which is causing the problem. I don\'t know how it got there. No one has been able to explain. But more likely to be this than any of the agency ads.
HJ
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windows xp, me, 98se all crash
all seemingly randomly - must be whenever the offending ad is served up.
talking of stealth popunders, and going to court, have a look at
" .. Overstock alleges that SmartBargains is using spyware to display pop-up ads over the top of Overstock's website. Overstock wants the practise stopped and it wants damages, costs and legal fees .. "
www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/19/overstock_utah_sp.../
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"Marks and Spencers pop-under.."
That'll be M&S pop-underware, then? I'd no idea they were so advanced...
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I think XP could be part of the trouble. On the advice of my son-in-law, who is a computer buff both professionally and hobby wise (and runs a Hyundai Evolution coupé) I am still on 98SE (with ZoneAlarm Pro) and do not have these troubles. Alan seems to reckon that things like this happen with the likes of XP.
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I go through periods of it - it seems to happen a few seconds after the page displays - almost certainly one of the adverts.
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I have logged onto this site every day or two for the last 2 years with no problems, however the last 30 minutes has seen it crash twice, nothing has changed at this end so any advice well received!!
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Running Windows XP SP2 (IE version 6.0.2900) and using Windows's own pop-up blocker. I've never had the website crash on me, either in this version of Windows or SP1.
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XP at home and at work and PocketPC2002 on the iPAQ so I can studiously ignore my fellow commuters on SWT's 04:58 out of Poole each morning whilst reading the overnight detritus you lot post :o)
Not a single problem (apart from the iPAQ being slower than it ought to be. Must order PPC2003.....)
No Dosh
Backroom Moderator
mailto:moderators@honestjohn.co.uk
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>>Must order PPC2003
haven't you got a friend who could lend you a copy ?
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>>Must order PPC2003 haven't you got a friend who could lend you a copy?
Or somewhere to download it from?
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Or somewhere to download it from?
I would never condone such activities! ::: reaches for mouse and clicks on "favourites" to have a quick browse..... :::
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>>Must order PPC2003 haven't you got a friend who could lend you a copy ?
Now that you mention it.....
Are you likely to be in town any time soon?
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Mapmaker wrote:
I don't imagine I should be permitted to suppress them!
I can't imagine not being permitted to suppress them. The advertising industry spends big bucks to give pop-up blocking software makers something to do. You don't think they do all these adverts for us, do you? We don't watch them. When was the last time you paid attention to banner or, forgive me swearing, a pop-up? Of course it's not for us. Advertisers do it just so programmers can make their living. They need each other like flowers need bees, cars need gasoline and Norton people need Chinese virus writters. With so many people depending on you and so much money involved I feel it's my duty and obligation to make sure no browser window I spawn is used without at least two pop-up killing addons. ;D
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That\'s a strange way of putting it, vOn. Advertisers advertise to make money, not to waste it. And, despite huge increases in site visits, some of the ads aren\'t performing as well as they did before, so getting the advertisers to pay for them is becoming increasingly difficult. It may be smart to talk about clever ways to suppress the pop-ups and ads, but they pay for the site so if everyone kills the pop ups and ads there will be no site. And the first bit to get the chop will be the bit that costs the most and makes the least: The Backroom. Though maybe one way to keep The Backroom funded would be to make it unaccessible except through a guantlet of ads.
HJ
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It may be smart to talk about clever ways to suppress the pop-ups and ads, but they pay for the site so if everyone kills the pop ups and ads there will be no site. And the first bit to get the chop will be the bit that costs the most and makes the least: The Backroom. Though maybe one way to keep The Backroom funded would be to make it unaccessible except through a guantlet of ads.
HJ, as I'm sure you know, click-through rates for advertising on websites are in long-term decline, so I'd be a little worried the long-term viability of funding the backroom in that way.
I know you've said before that you don't think subscriptions are a viable route to follow, though I still think that voluntary subs would be a good idea: pay a sub and avoid all the ads, or don't pay and don't complain about them!
Whatever about either of the above, though, how about a voluntary contribution facility, perhaps using paypal? I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at how much that could bring in.
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HJ, as I'm sure you know, click-through rates for advertising on websites are in long-term decline, so I'd be a little worried the long-term viability of funding the backroom in that way. I know you've said before that you don't think subscriptions are a viable route to follow, though I still think that voluntary subs would be a good idea: pay a sub and avoid all the ads, or don't pay and don't complain about them! Whatever about either of the above, though, how about a voluntary contribution facility, perhaps using paypal? I think you'd be pleasantly surprised at how much that could bring in.
No Wheels. where do you get that from?
Internet advertising increased from 1% of all advertising to 2% of all advertising over the last year, which is a 100% increase. All other forms of advertising are in decline.
As for subscriptions, no way. Backroomers simply won't pay the necessary money. Collecting lots of little subscriptions is a nightmare. And the legal aspect of banning misbehaving Backroomers who have already paid a subscription doesn't bear thinking about.
HJ
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I doubt XP be the prob.Have been using it for a long time as I recall only had one prob which was volvo add.any pop ups now are just clicked away if you dont want them.I would suggest any one that has a prob really lookes into why.I for 1 am certain it is a prob with IE6 not this site.cant answer why but But doubt it is the site causing probs.?
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I for 1 am certain it is a prob with IE6 not this site.
As soon as the Volvo ad re-appeared I had problems again. The Volvo ad disappeared last Friday and I hadn\'t any problems with IE crashing since then.
Everytime it has crashed, I\'ve looked at the log file that you have the option to send to Microslop, if you so wish.
In every case, \"Flash.ocx\" made an appearance in those logs.
Stephen Khoo reported back, \"anything to do with Flash means it must be an ad on this site as we don\'t put any Flash files into the HJ site. The Volvo ad uses Flash for example.\"
My own conclusion is that it is not a problem with IE, but some problem with the Volvo Ad.
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HJ...
Yes, internet advertising, i.e. putting adverts on the web, has increased massively over the last year, but what No Wheels is correctly talking about is that the number of people actually paying attention to it is in decline - people are just becoming \'desensitised\' to online ads and popups and clicking the X, just like we all flick over the ads in magazines. What was once new and innovative is now run of the mill, and advertisers are looking for new ways of grabbing attention. Incidentally this appears to be interactive billboards, but that\'s of no use to this site!
I\'ve probably got some reports or something in trade mags around that discuss online advertising, if it helps (with insomnia)?
PG
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in reply to Pologirl, the revenue-earning site traffic seems to to be non-Backroomers. So if Backroomers are doing as you say: killing the ads and the pop-ups, or not responding to them, then we need something that forces them to respond to ads before they can access The Backroom. I'll e-mail the agency and Stephen about that. There's no such thing as a free Backroom. Mapmaker may well have started something with this thread.
HJ
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There is no such thing as free Channel 4 either but they can't stop you from muting commercial breaks or switching the channel. Imagine one day, on Saturday morning your favourite programming is interrupted by one of the annoying "Old Whiplash Claims" or "My whites are even whiter with this whitener" commercials and you discover your remote has been locked and you can't turn down the volume either. Would you like that?
What I'm trying to say is that I think you chose a wrong path in this matter Honestjohn.
Don't force surgical eye openers on your readers. Instead, perhaps make sure the advertisement works correctly and maybe help advertiser to turn it into something attractive to the viewer rather than offensive.
Here's another thought, I don't recall people complaining about Reliability Index banners up there or any of the adverts on the left hand side. People complain about the same ads, over and over again. In fact those particular few are so annoying to them they are willing to buy and install extra software just to get rid of it. Maybe this one time readers are right?
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"then we need something that forces them to respond to ads before they can access The Backroom."
HJ,
If that helps I am sure we would all be very happy.
I look at the Backroom from several PCs and make a point of clicking on Pop-ups for the reasons you have given in the past.
However I know, for instance, what the AA does(Automotive & Alcohol versions) and frankly I just open and close it as I don't need the services of either organisation.
Do advertisers measure the success of their advert on your website by the number of hits or the number of follow up actions? Or is that too simplistic?
C
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In answer to Cardew, some of them work on following through click-throughs to sales; some of them work on click-throughs; some of them work on impressions. Volvo had very impressive response to editorial and road tests of the new S40 on the site which is why it became an advertiser. And Toyota does very well from its unintrusive and clever use of banners. Some of the brokers do spectacularly well from click through to sales.
HJ
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