HJ:
You may be luckier in BKK. I am pretty sure the Brit Embassy in MNL is taking an especial hard line due to the definite terrorist links down in the Muslim south of the Philippines. Of course that is good sense, but exercise a bit of judgement. I do some consulting with recruitment of nurses from her to UK, that is straightforward because the applicant has a job offer and a viable qualification.
It is daft. I mean if it was a matter of a simple 14 day average holiday visa, show us return ticket and proof of funds, sign here and pay the fee.....that was how it used to be.
She's looking over my shoulder now...here she comes:
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Really thanks all. So much kind words. This is too much posting by him about this thing, I've told him stop it, it isn't motoring and its wasting HJ's space. It's God's will anyway. I said go, have a safe trip, enjoy yourself, call me every day please and I'll be here when you get back.
For Mark: so kind, nice you said that. Too late this time but we will try again next year.
Now I'm going to wash my car (link to motoring?? :+)
Growlette/Catherine.
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All the best for both of you!
Hugo
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This is to keep the 'Meet GRowler' thread on the front page. We seem to be looking at the ACE Cafe on 26th or 27th July.
HJ
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Cathy - just to say I'm so sorry about what's happened - please see my email that I've sent to G's address for you.
HF xx
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No consolation to Cathy, but they blew out Muta's visa application too. Seems to be general policy.
HJ
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Sorry to hear that both Cathy and Muta's visa applications were refused. I had similar problems a few years ago getting my Thai gf, as she was then, to the UK. She was a doctor in Thailand but that counted for nothing. When she first visited the embassy applying for a visitor's visa one of the Thai's at the embassy suggested she was a vagrant. She was very upset. By the time we had an embassy interview arranged it was too late to make her scheduled trip to the UK, so I decided there was no point going through with the interview as having a visa rejection can make life more difficult next time. Rather than my gf visiting the UK we met in Singapore.
In January 2003 we got engaged. Getting a fiancee visa was relatively straightforward and we married 6 months later. We are now happily married living in the UK. My wife has been working legally in our local library and is taking the exam to be a doctor here next month. There are some photos on my website for anyone interested.
As for getting visas, from what I've heard and read, in the past many Thai people ignored their visa conditions and stayed in the UK when they should have returned to Thailand. Now they are very strict about who they give visas to. Sadly this effects everyone including those who are honest and will respect their visa conditions.
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Well, we can try again. He has to go to UK anyway. If you guys meet him please send him back to me is all I want!
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We Might kidnap him and send back a Growler clone.....
Anyone Volunteers?
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>>Getting a fiancee visa was relatively straightforward
So get engaged then. Although a contractual promise, the days of suing a man for failing to marry a girl are long gone. And with the protracted engagements that the youth of today tend to have, who is to say when you will need to get married.
This Ace cafe place. Is it dry, being a drivers' cafe?
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>>Getting a fiancee visa was relatively straightforward So get engaged then. Although a contractual promise, the days of suing a man for failing to marry a girl are long gone. And with the protracted engagements that the youth of today tend to have, who is to say when you will need to get married.
They've thought of that - you have 6 months to marry her...
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Wonderful, isn't it? You go through all the proper channels with a perfectly reasonable request, jump through all the hoops, but they still turn you down. And then they wonder why so many people arrive illegally...
Sorry, just muttering into my virtual pint (so early too!).
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Same thing happened to my friend and his Brazilian girlfriend. Meanwhile if you strap yourself to the bottom of a lorry...
Anyway, could I point out that 25th July is the big Thai get together in Battersea Park and is generally a fun day out for all.
I am currently stuck in UK but missing LOS big time so I will be there crying in to my Singha.
Unofficial Backroom get together?
Date might work for Mr. G.
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More soon, have some work to do. Keep the faith. I hope I can do this, I have a pending litigation thing back here which may or may not require my presence. It's motoring, by the way (link :+)
I will contact ACE cafe re whether dry or not liquor-wise. More on this.
I will post by 20th latest what my plans are. It would be marvellous to put some faces to names, and meeting the mighty HJ would be a privilege in itself, if it were possible, and I joke not.
Thommo it's a lovely thought, but to gaze upon those lovely oriental ladies without my own oriental angel hanging off me as she so often does would be heart-rending. Then again, the prospect of a few cold Singhas with some Mekong whisky chasers (any chance?) might calm the troubled breast, as it were. Then I want a Phad Thai full of crunchy bamboo shoots with all, and I mean ALL, the different chilis in those little bowls, just give me the number of the fire brigade before I get started.
Sorry all, garrulous old fool as usual.
To motoring:
What's a good rental? Ford Focus? I had a Fiat Punto before, that was OK. Corsa?=hated it. Hertz have a Class B reserved for me at LHR but I would like to specify a definite model. Must have a/c, I can't live without that. Talking 10-14 days maybe 800 miles. Must be comfortable, economy not a problem, I don't care about CD etc and I hate diesel, doesn't have to be anything fancy.
Any and all opinions gratefully received.
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What's a good rental? Ford Focus? I had a Fiat Punto before, that was OK. Corsa?=hated it. Hertz have a Class B reserved for me at LHR but I would like to specify a definite model. Must have a/c, I can't live without that. Talking 10-14 days maybe 800 miles. Must be comfortable, economy not a problem, I don't care about CD etc and I hate diesel, doesn't have to be anything fancy. Any and all opinions gratefully received.
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www.hertz.co.uk/byr/fleet/index.cfm
Site says Focus 1.6LX is manual and 1.6 is an auto both with A/C.
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Arrive in style, Growler. Chauffeur driven stretch limo with bullhorns on the front and a bevy of Phillipino maids waving out the windows as you lounge in the back with your Jack Daniels.
Even the Harley owners will turn green...
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I wish I wish. I did once hire a stretch Lincoln in Vegas (in white with blacked out windows natch) and we got 5 guys and 5 ...er...ladies in it and we had a helluva night at the MGM Grand, but that was in my younger days. The driver was Greek, I don't know why I remember that, maybe it's the footie lately.
One of my favorite album covers is the one with Eric Clapton driving a Caddy convertible with several days' stubble and a huge grin on his face with an enormous B.B. King in black tie sprawled across the back seat with his guitar evidently enjoying the experience. "Riding With The King". Play the blues, son.
However a mere pensioner like me cannot afford such profligacy. Bottle of Jack here is about seven pounds. What's it cost in UK? I'll bring some anyway.
I do want a decent car so I think I will take under advisement (yes I still watch those old Perry Mason movies on Classic TV) the words of wisdom above and ask the man (or lady) in black and yellow for a Group C.
As ever, thanks to everyone for their advice. One wonderful thing here is Hertz will rent you a car with driver at a daily rate. No worries about DUI, finding somewhere to park, how to get from here to there. Very discreet as well, let's say if you...well....let's say if you..... not that I would with Growlette reading all my posts, of course.
Impossibly unaffordable in UK I guess.
Have to get my air tickets now. Can you believe the price has gone up 23% in a year?
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Thanks for that henry k. Much appreciated.
The black and yellow crew at LHR have me booked in for a Focus auto with a/c. Done it all thru the Hertz office here. Great service from a lovely lady called Carla.
(Booking the car I mean).
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Errrrrrr Group B is an economy car - Fiesta or similar. For a Focus with aircon (good choice btw) you need a C group
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Growler,
Just to add to the requests, please post date, venue and time when your itinary has settled down.
Ian L.
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Good news/bad news...
The Ace appears to be dry - quote: "The riders enjoying themselves whilst having a a cup of tea or coffee"
But, on the 24th, they are having a "Sun Sound Special Tribute to Sam Phillips" which might make up for it. Wonder if you can BYO...?
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"a a cup"
Their website, not my fingers! Unless it's something to do with lingerie, of course...
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JBJ yes got it also.
24th dammit I'll be in Edinburgh but my meetings should be done .... It's a could-be. Be great to hear Carl Perkins, Roy Orbison and of course Elvis at a Sam Philips night, oh and I forgot Jerry Lee Lewis...
Get back to LON 25th. So much to do, business and personal stuff. Ace have a Harley night that week, might have been good. I'm on Emirates and they are booked solid, blackout dates for redeemed mileage travellers (that's me) through Dubai and I can't change my travel dates. I have a court case the following week back here anyway.
I would use public transport anyway to the Ace, so it will be a matter of the hip flask and tipping a drop of the old how's-your-father in the tea and six spoonfuls of sugar and a bacon sandwich like in days of yore. No worries there. Might be a bit boring for those who drive tho' ??
On 20th as promised I'll post my schedule. I would love to see the re-vamped Ace 40 years on.
Goodness I don't want my agenda dominating the BR, which it threatens to do. As Cathy the GRowlette is wont to say, too much already, sorry all.
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This thread seems to have gone all quiet, What is Growlette up to - doing burnups in Growlers new wheels while he is out of the way?
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Glad to see you back after your access trouble with Mozarella, or whatever it's called. Raise your eyes slightly and you will see a new thread has been started right at the top giving details of the great occasion. We'll be very happy to meet up with you there.
HJ
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I will post by 20th latest what my plans are.
Come on then Growler. The 20th is looming.
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Reverting to the subject of fountain pens, GRowler, www.bloomsbury-book-auct.com have a sale on 22nd July in London.
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Trying to keep this on the front page in case GRowler phones GRowlette so she can post and tell us when and where to meet him.
HJ
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HJ, I've made it a "sticky" thread (it remains at the top of the page regardless) so that G will hopefully see it.
DD.
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We'll need this so we know where to go (many thanks to Dalglish for the links)
A thorough explanation how to get to the Ace Cafe site, either by road or public transport
www.ace-cafe-london.com/f1_10.htm
THE ACE CAFE LONDON - A Short History
www.ace-cafe-london.com/f1.htm
HJ
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GRowler,
Is this still the 26th or 27th (dates proposed in the early part of the thread)
Exact date and time may be useful
StarGazer
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Maybe GRowler is too tied up with the issues he came her to deal with. Maybe he cannot access the internet. I don't know. I've e-mailed GRowlette with my phone numbers so she can give them to GRowler, he can phone me and I can post on his behalf. All I can do.
HJ
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Sorry folks I did email HJ about a meet for anyone in the area/interested at the Ace Cafe on the N. Circular Road Sunday p.m. next Appears he didn't get the email and I've been in the wilds of Scotland with no 'net access. Anyhow I'll be there as promised...look for an ancient hulk in a Harley shirt...
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Are we talking Sunday 25th here G? Just to clarify for t\'others.
Unfortunately Sunday is out for me. I can do weekdays as I\'m usually within spitting distance of London but a 120 mile each-way trek when I have to get my daughter back by 16:30 to Mrs ND MkI is not an option.
Sorry :o(
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GRowler,
Sorry, if its Sun 25th then I am also unable to make it to the Ace Cafe. I was hoping you might be able to make the later dates you suggested a while ago....I can get into London midweek.
Hope the rest of you visit goes well
StarGazer (was Ian L.)
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Sorry folks -- extremely tight schedule. Will be in Ace anyway Sun just to see what it looks like after all these years.
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Sadly Sunday is a no go for me - I've had both Monday & Tuesday marked down for weeks - I usually aim to be well outside the M25 for the weekend!
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Sorry everyone. Cathy e-mailed me today to tell me. Either did not get GRowler's e-mail or it got trashed with the 300 or so junk e-mails I get every day. (The type of e-mails I get there is no effective way of pre-filtering the gems from the junk.) Anyway, I'll be there. From about 2.00pm. And please, other Backroomers, if you can't come don't post and apologise like about 100 of you did for the last Backroom meet. Just don't come.
HJ
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Just Growler and you, then, HJ :-)
I will try to make it, but can't promise, as I'll have to get back to the Isle of Wight, and there will be trouble if I don't sort out my girlfriend's brake hoses...
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Ouch HJ!
I won't be able to make it, but I would like to pass on my best wishes to Growler and his family, and indeed to all of you.
I know I'll miss another opportunity to meet up with everyone, but I'll be thinking of you. I feel I have got to know you over the time I have been on this site and I genuinely wish you all a good time. If I could be there I would.
All the best
Hugo
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Okay, fill you in. About 10 months ago a former backroomer name of Dan proposed the first Backroom meet at a North London pub. This resulted in a massive thread of Backroomers talking about what a wonderful time they were all going to have. Then, the day before, most of them made their excuses for not being able to come. And on the day about 10 actually showed up. I have to confess, I found that mildly annoying. So please either show up or shut up.
HJ
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I'm coming, if i may. After reading all of Growler's great posts on this forum, i'm looking forward to listening to some entertaining discussion between HJ and Growler.
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(Pologirl is welcome to show up if she wants to, but this particular post has been deleted without comment.)
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So graduand Polo Girl, are you coming? I dare you! Last time even the great man himself HJ turned up. A number of the group continued drinking into the small hours after moving onto a chinese restaurant i seem to remember.
What happened to Dan J; did he change his nick name, or has he disappeared?
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I'll be there all being well, hopefully more will be there than for the last meet
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So graduand Polo Girl, are you coming? I dare you! Last time even the great man himself HJ turned up. A number of the group continued drinking into the small hours after moving onto a chinese restaurant i seem to remember.
Very clever to try and tempt me with alcohol and chinese, but I'm going to be in Hugo's part of the world for a week visiting my family.
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"Very clever to try and tempt me with alcohol and chinese, but I'm going to be in Hugo's part of the world for a week visiting my family."
After reading this with interest and fear - a cold shiver ran down the back of Hugo's spine. At 6'4" Hugo didn't fear much, but the one known as Pologirl struck at the very heart of Hugo's worst nightmare.....
"What colour is her Polo - Is it still the same shape as it was when it left the bodyshop last time?" he thought. "Will I recognise it when it comes for me or will it be too quick?" He hoped it would be quick.....
Have a great time PG, If you're around East Cornwall I may see you!
Hugo
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Mmm... didn't know Hugo was 6 foot four! ;-)
Anyway..I'm ba-ack! Had a glorious week, and despite there being the heaviest rain I have ever seen in my life and no surf at all, I have managed to get anough of a tan to join up my freckles!
Don't worry Hugo, I stuck to North Cornwall and I wasn't driving. Polo stayed safely tucked up on my parents' driveway for the week.
By the way...the photos from the Ace Cafe... I had no idea that one member of the backroom was so attractive! ;-)
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I have managed to get *anough* of a tan to join up my freckles!
*enough*... blimey, I haven't even graduated yet and I've forgotten how to spell! Sorry!
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Okay, fill you in. About 10 months ago a former backroomer name of Dan proposed the first Backroom meet at a North London pub. This resulted in a massive thread of Backroomers talking about what a wonderful time they were all going to have. Then, the day before, most of them made their excuses for not being able to come. And on the day about 10 actually showed up. I have to confess, I found that mildly annoying. So please either show up or shut up. HJ
Understand now :)
I remember that, HF and Rob did the food. Well, the problem is that I am in Cornwall, which, due to finances and other committments, removes any likelyhood of my being able to make it unless I were to be in the area at the time.
If I were about an hours drive away I would be delighted to come, but I'm afraid I live a little further away than that.
I wish you all the best and please pass on my regards to Growler and Growlette and all thier families.
Hugo
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>>A number of the group continued drinking into the small hours after moving onto a chinese restaurant i seem to remember.
What happened to Dan J; did he change his nick name, or has he disappeared?
Oh my, still famous after all this time. Chinese place was very good though!
I think Dan has been missing from the site for a bit - hopefully he'll come back one day.
Have a great day tomorrow all.
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Well it happened. Nine Backroomers showed up in person and DVD made a virtual appearance by phoning the ACE Cafe to say hello. The roll call was: HJ, Growler, John55, JohnM, SJB ( Honda Hornet), Spikyhead, Ben, J. Bonington Jagworth and Henry K.
Photos here: groups.msn.com/honestjohn/acecafebackroommeet25720...1
Thanks to the fine nine and to DVD. Raspberries to everyone else.
HJ
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Was worth making the jourmey to meet GRowler and the others there
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Now that HJ is a nice shirt. What would be nice is a list of people in order according to the picture so we can put faces to the names.
Adam
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In the main photo L to R we have Henry K, JohnM, J. Bonington Jagworth, HJ, GRowler, SJB, John55, Spikyhead and Ben.
HJ
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Hi guys:
I been checking the site because of your meet. Good pics. I have forwarded this msg and I will call him. Thanks so much for coming to the Ace, I know it means a lot to him.
Just I want him back safe is all. Him and his bikes what to do?!
Best wishes to all, HJ especially.
Cathy aka GRowlette
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Well, Growlette, he was OK when we left him...
It was an honour to meet him (not to mention HJ and the others) and I'm sorry our stupid authorities stopped you from coming. Perhaps next time?
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Well, Growlette, he was OK when we left him...
I too will say that I left him standing upright with many many bikes and bikers all around. Far too many of both to count. A great location to meet. He was on form and gently enjoying himself. Not at all living up to his forum name.
It was an honour to meet him (not to mention HJ and the others) and I'm sorry our stupid authorities stopped you from coming. Perhaps next time?
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It was good to meet HJ and some names from the forum.
I appreciate that others have other commitments or a long or impossible trek to such a meet. I feel fortunate that this time I could make it.
Growlette
I am sure you will give him a big welcome when we re export him back to you in the rain
henry k.
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Thanks for a fine time, Guys. It was a genuine pleasure to make acquaintance with you all, and beat the alternative of jelly and ice cream, too: After a great ride, I arrived back exactly as 'proper' food was being put on the table. Perfect result!
Have a safe flight home GRowler, and until the next time, All.
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Yes, I'm glad that I dragged the buzzing Golf up the M4 to meet you all! If only I had had food waiting for me when I got back...
I hope that that black house on wheels you were driving, HJ, had good central heating as you must have been frozen in that shirt...
Thanks all, Cheers!!
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What can I say. Great pics, which I shall re-post if HJ has no objection, on www.motorcyclephilippines.com, my local site. Great company too.
Meeting HJ was really something (GRowlette demanded to know what he\'s like in the flesh, so I have a job to do there) and to those of you who made the trek, many thanks.
I promised SjB the link of our local equivalent to the Ace Caff:
www.handlebar.com.ph
Thanks again.
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G,
I know HJ said if you can't go then don't make excuses but I just want to say I would have loved to have gone. There was no way I could haave gotten all the way to London sadly but at least there are photos of the event.
Glad you enjoyed it and if there is ever another meet in the years to come I will try to make it....unless of course you hold it in the Philippines ;-)
Cheers
Adam
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unlessof course you hold it in the Philippines ;-)
In my case, make that 'especially if..'
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"GRowlette demanded to know what he's like"
I think the shirt says it all.. :-)
Have since thought of lots of things I wanted to talk about, so hope you're back again before too long. With Growlette, preferably!
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Thanks, GRowler.
You weren't kiddin' when you said some local lovelies will give the bike a good soap over whilst you're sinking a nice cold one, were you!
Stay safe,
SjB
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That does look good, doesn't it, SjB? From the picture, the founder could almost be a relative of Growler's...
The best I could manage was an Ace Cafe sticker, but at least I've found a good home for it:
www.chessell.plus.com/stuff.htm
It was very good to meet you. I may have to start saving for a Hornet...
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Hornet?
Nah, go the whole nine yards and make it a Harley! Mortgage the house and the wife and whatever if necessary but do it right FCS.
Great to see you guys and thanks again.
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Message received - I hear they have rubber engine mounts now, too! So when are you going to get that V-Rod, G? :-)
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Rubber engine mounts? Hmph! Are you a man or a mouse? What's the point of a motorbike that doesn't vibrate? What else are you going to to do with Sunday mornings if you don't have any bits to put back on?
No V-Rod for me, I want to have GRowlette masssage back the feeling in my nether parts after a long ride...........
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"Are you a man or a mouse?"
Hmm - no comment! I could go for a Buell, I think. Would that do?
Anyway, I'm sure you'll get a decent massage on your return... :-)
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A belated thank-you to DVD, who made a phone call to the Ace with a message which the lady co-owner took great trouble to deliver to us.
I was a bit worried by all those police motorbikes parked up, but then I remembered I was at the mercy of the Underground and Castlemaine XXXX and not driving.
Again, a great afternoon.
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I was a bit worried by all those police motorbikes parked up...
I think they were there as part of the www.BikeSafe.co.uk initiative, whereby a member of the biking public can go on an observed ride with a Police motorcyclist (in both of their own time), but was mightily amazed by their laid back approach. Good PR, sure, but a nice opposite to the nit picking reputation that the police often get.
JBJ: That does look good, doesn't it, SjB? From the picture, the founder could almost be a relative of Growler's...
Funny, but I had exactly the same thought!
Gissa shout if you are ever in my neck of the woods on the Suzi. I can highly recommend some roads for a nice jaunt from our town out to the Cotswolds, taking in a decent pub lunch on the way. Alternatively, some times I'm with biking friends down nearer your part of the world, so could let you know when this next happens, if you're interested. No nutters BTW, and everyone is given room to find their own pace, so nothing to worry about.
Take no notice of GRowler by the way. Remember he lives in the dream world where gorgeous beauties clean your bike, for heavens sake! He actually confided in me that it ain't what ya ride, it's how ya ride it that matters! Right, G? ;-))
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What struck me was that this surely is the best kind of policing.
Mingling with the "policed" as it were, and building relationships. I chatted with a couple of the cops and looked over their bikes and they were bikers just like me as well as law enforcement officers.
Again, a great afternoon.
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So you're home safe, GRowler. Back with the gorgeous GRowlette.
HJ
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No HJ, still in London, got a problem with a tenant in my London flat. Should have left yesterday but still here till Aug 3.
Growlette not amused at delayed return but I visited Ann Summers in Bayswater this a.m. and hopefully what I've bought for her will do the needful, especially the furry handcuffs, (HF will know that whereof I speak....oops...who said that.,.,..)
But to motoring: ages to get through the Kings Rd this a.m. What has Red Ken been up to? I could have walked faster from Sloane Sq Stn to the Warrs Harley shop. Which is what I did going back. Almost as bad as Manila.
Sorry SbJ/JBJ, the V-Rod doesn't cut it. I want it big and noisy and in your face. Next one has to be a Fat Boy methinks.
Good to see you all again, please stay in touch. BR is great.
/GRowler out.
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"the V-Rod doesn't cut it"
I probably won't buy one either (!), but it's an impressive piece of kit, especially from a firm that seemed to favour slow evolution. I gather that the silencers, which have a very graceful and complex shape, are made by an extraordinary process involving high pressure hydraulics - again, not what most of us expected from H-D.
Anyway, G, I hope you sort your tenant out. I guess the backroom could raise a posse, if push came to shove...
Many thanks, SjB, for your kind offer. You're in Oxfordshire, IIRC, which is not on my normal circuit, but let me know if you're Winchester or New Forest way. My email should be on my profile.
Good luck, G, with the, er, handcuffs. Somehow I doubt you'll need them when you next see Growlette!
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Quite agree, G.
If any biker goes the other way, they get a nod from me, including coppers. I usually get one back from another biker, but always get one back from Plod. I have also spoken to many police bikers at major events, and all have been true enthusiasts as well.
Prompted by the BikeSafe initiative at the Ace, I had a gander at my local BikeSafe website, and was interested to read that some of the best local biking roads, which include my favourites, were the subject of an article written by a bike copper.
The article took the roads from the biker's perspective, and broke it down in to the areas to look out for, seeking to make riders stop & think, rather than stopping their pleasure altogether. Again, balanced policing.
www.thamesvalley.police.uk/safer-rider/index.htm
Click Road Information.
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That road information is excellent, SjB, and where else could you get it? I liked the line: "you will notice the SLOW sign painted onto the road; it is there for a reason"
I agree, too, about police bikers. They've always seemed the most reasonable members of the force, even when I haven't been on a bike. I even avoided a ticket a few years ago when stopped by one - I managed to steer the conversation round to his clearly new Pan European, and he was so happy to talk about it that he 'forgot' the main subject matter...
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>>especially the furry handcuffs, (HF will know that whereof I speak....oops...who said that.,.,..)
Oh! And I thought it was furry dice of which I had been speaking. Ah well, can't blame a girl for getting a bit mixed up in a man's world.
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Take care and safe journey home, G.
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This thread has assumed a life of its own and I am just waiting for it to be shot down. Not I hope before I have thanked you for your kind invitation SjB. I did in fact investigate Harley rental from Fred Warrs in London, since I had an unplanned few days extra in Blighty. Cost however was very high and they were dubious about my Philippines licence (My Brit one is back at home). Plus I don't have any riding gear with me.
However I am pleased to say I bought one of those incredibly bad taste chrome German helmets and one covered with faux leopard skin for Growlette. It's a hoot and I shall get a tongue lashing for (a) wasting 60 quid and (b) imagining someone like HER would ever be seen DEAD in THAT. The salesman in the shop said you know they aren't legal. I said in the Philippines anything's legal as long as you don't get caught.
No plans to get back. In the unlikely (?) event anyone ever gets to Manila you will find our hospitality warm and welcoming. If you are male (sorry HF) you will fall hopelessly in love with a local vision of loveliness (well 2 actually, one will be a Harley), become a biker, and be done for. Don't ask me how I know that.
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