What a contrast to the Top Gear survey. The Rover 25 was not far from the bottom in the latter but comes third in this one.
Which one do we believe??
Same cars but contrast of 100 places!!
aol.whatcar.com/News_SpecialReport.asp?NA_ID=217350&EL_ID=3142814#
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BTW heres the top 100 - a few surprises!!
What Car? Reliability Survey
The top 100 cars
Manufacturer/Model/Period
1. Honda Accord (99-03)
2. Honda Civic (96-01)
3. Rover 25 (99-05)
4. Volvo V40 (96-04)
5. Volvo S40 (96-04)
6. Nissan Micra (98-02)
7. Nissan Primera (96-99)
8. Mercedes CLK (97-02)
9. Audi A4 (01-)
10. Ford Ka (96-)
11. Peugeot 206 CC (00-)
12. Toyota Avensis (97-03)
13. Vauxhall Corsa (93-00)
14. Vauxhall Astra (98-04)
15. BMW 3-series Compact (94-01)
16. Land Rover Discovery (89-98)
17. Fiat Brava (96-02)
18. Citroen Xsara (97-05)
19. Rover 45 (99-05)
20. Audi A3 (96-03)
21. Mercedes C-class (00-)
22. BMW Z3 (96-03)
23. BMW 3-Series (01-05)
24. BMW 3-series (99-01)
25. Volkswagen Polo (00-02)
26. Saab 900 (93-98)
27. Volkswagen Golf (92-97)
28. Ford Puma (97-02)
29. Ford Focus (98-04)
30. Peugeot 406 (96-99)
31. Fiat Punto (99-03)
32. Peugeot 306 (97-01)
33. Vauxhall Vectra (99-02)
34. Nissan Micra (93-98)
35. Citroen C5 (01-)
36. Mercedes M-Class (98-05)
37. Rover 75 (99-05)
38. Mercedes SLK (96-04)
39. Volkswagen Polo (94-00)
40. Renault Clio (98-)
41. Vauxhall Zafira (99-05)
42. Ford Mondeo (96-00)
43. BMW 5-series (96-03)
44. Ford Mondeo (00-03)
45. Peugeot 206 (98-)
46. Citroen Saxo (96-04)
47. Vauxhall Vectra (95-99)
48. Ford Escort (90-01)
49. Ford Fiesta (96-02)
50. Porsche Boxster (96-)
51. Volkswagen Bora (99-)
52. Mercedes E-Class (99-02)
53. Alfa Romeo 156 (03-)
54. Alfa Romeo 156 (98-03)
55. BMW 3-series (91-99)
56. Ford Galaxy (95-00)
57. Renault Clio (91-98)
58. Land Rover Discovery (98-03)
59. Rover 400 (95-99)
60. Saab 9-3 (98-02)
61. Volkswagen Passat (97-05)
62. Vauxhall Omega (99-04)
63. Rover 200 (96-99)
64. Peugeot 306 (93-97)
65. Jaguar S-Type (98-)
66. Jaguar XJ8 (97-03)
67. Volvo V70 (96-00)
68. MG MGF (95-02)
69. Renault Megane (99-02)
70. Citroen Xantia (93-01)
71. Rover 600 (93-99)
72. Volkswagen Golf (97-04)
73. Ford Scorpio (95-98)
74. Audi A6 (97-04)
75. Vauxhall Omega (94-00)
76. Land Rover Freelander (00-)
77. Renault Laguna (94-98)
78. Peugeot 406 (99-)
79. Mercedes A-class (98-05)
80. Vauxhall Astra (91-98)
81. Volkswagen Sharan (95-00)
82. Chrysler Cherokee (93-)
83. Volvo S80 (98-)
84. Fiat Bravo (96-02)
85. Land Rover Range Rover (95-02)
86. Renault Megane (96-99)
87. Audi A4 (95-01)
88. Volvo V70 (00-)
89. Rover 800 (91-99)
90. Alfa Romeo 147 (00-)
91. Fiat Punto (94-99)
92. Jaguar XK8 (96-)
93. Fiat Coupe (95-01)
94. Renault Laguna (00-)
95. Saab 9-5 (97-01)
96. Land Rover Freelander (97-00)
97. BMW 7-series (94-02)
98. Saab 9000 CS (91-97)
99. Audi TT (99-)
100. Renault Espace (97-02)
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I can't understand that list. As a manufacturer Mazda comes 2nd to Honda (after a few years at the top), but no Mazda appears in the top 100?? I don't get the magazine, but can anyone say how that happens? - It's not as if they have 1000's of different models to dilute teh figures.
Martin
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Reading that list, I have to say, I'm glad I would never let anything like that bias my car choice.
Plus, why are the Brava and Bravo so far apart? They almost the same car.
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The What Car Survey seems to look purely at reliability, whereas the Top Gear Survey looks at owners satisfaction which are two rather different measures.
You can have a 100% reliable car that you are not satisfied with, and this will be reflected between the 2 surveys.
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Woo!! My car came 18th. Which means the list is patently flawed.
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No Seat or Skoda cars in that list at all.
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andymc
Vroom, vroom - mmm, doughnuts ...
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Strange results.I took part in the survey,i drive a mazda6.No mention of it.
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The top hundred list makes no sense to me.
No Hyundai, Seat, or Skoda models appear but the manufacturers are 6th, 12th and 9th respectively.
How do relatively rare cars like a Porsche Boxter appear in the list, yet Hyundai, Seat, or Skoda models as well as Toyota Yaris and Corolla are not in it?
The only Toyota is the old model Aventis. By what criteria do they judge Toyota are third if their bread and butter models are not included?
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Enormous gap between Peugeot 406 and Citroen Xantia despite them being fundamentally the same car.
Hmmm. Rover 25 in top 3? Yet the Rover 200, literally the exact same car with a minor appearance-facelift, is right down at the bottom?
Hello, I'd like to order a liberal amount of salt, please..
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What car results certainly look a little "suspect" & that's been polite.
Top Gear results seem a more accurate reflection of "life with your car"
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Jizzy Crizzy!
The Fiat Coupe is in the top 100? I'd probably be really smug about that if mine hadn't broken down this morning.
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Jizzy Crizzy! The Fiat Coupe is in the top 100? I'd probably be really smug about that if mine hadn't broken down this morning.
I don't think "flooding it" counts as broken down tho' BB
;)JaB
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True, but had I tried to be smug, you can guarantee someone would have brought it up ;)
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In a survey of 100 motorists, what was the number of them who replied their car was reliable?
Our survey says.....................
I think that sums it all up. It makes good editorial copy that sells something. It does not matter that it is accurate.
Any way it does give us something to talk about or be smug about.
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Roger
I read frequently, but only post when I have something useful to say.
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I thought that What Car ran the results of the Warranty Direct Reliability Survey, which just happens to part-sponsor The Backroom (see banner above). This survey is based on cost and frequency of warranty repairs, so hard facts, not asking people's opinions.
HJ
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Does that also mean that it covers a different set of cars to the Top Gear one? Is Top Gear new cars? And am I right in assuming that the warrantee direct one will likely only be cars over 3 years old, since anythign newer that than would be covered by manufacturers, so no-one would buy one from a third party?
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BTW, if this survey is from the warrantee direct people, then my car has contributed to the Fiat Coupes good showing, since it was covered by them up till August, and I never had any problems.
Nice one Alice.
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Does it take into account the number of a particular model sold ?
Does it take into account the number of miles driven ?
Does it take into account the number of policies they actually hold for that model ?
>>so hard facts
Well, facts certainly, but hardly presented accurately or in context.
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So how come a Rover 200 is much more unreliable and expensive to repair than a Rover 25 which is exactly the same car built using exactly the same components sold through exactly the same dealer network?
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Bear in mind that most lengthy surveys which are filled in at home and returned in the post are much more likely to be completed by the older generation, particularly the retired. A lot of folks have nothing to do during the day, and so filling in surveys helps fill up some of the time. I used to work in market research, and it tended to be 50+ years of age who loved to respond to questionnaires.
That's why you see so many blue rinse models making it into the top 10.
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I often wonder if the opinions of the presenters of Top Gear ever influence the results of the Top Gear survey. How often is a good opinion expressed on French cars on that programme?
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i am 40,i took part in the survey which was by the internet.
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So how come a Rover 200 is much more unreliable and expensive to repair than a Rover 25 which is exactly the same car built using exactly the same components sold through exactly the same dealer network?
I would guess simply because the 200's will be older and therefore more likely to have problems.
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I thought that What Car ran the results of the Warranty Direct Reliability Survey, which just happens to part-sponsor The Backroom (see banner above). This survey is based on cost and frequency of warranty repairs, so hard facts, not asking people's opinions. HJ
On the assessment of Manufacturers, Mazda, Lexus, Hyundai and Mitsubishi are given the highest accolade of a ***** award and appear at the top of the ratings. Yet none of them have a model that appears anywhere in the list of 100 cars - which the survey claims to be the best to worse models.
I cannot take seriously a survey(hard facts or not) that has sufficient data to grade models like the Porsche Boxster, Mercedes SLK and 4 different Saab cars, yet apparently nothing on any car from the above manufacturers; as well as many other popular cars.
It may well be that do not have, say, a Mazda 323 on their books or it has never required a repair. A lot of 323s have been produced so where do they come in the pecking order? Also if they have no 'hard facts' on those manufacturers how do they grade them so highly?
I also fail to see the relevance of comparing models produced in 1989 with current cars.
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model that appears anywhere in the list of 100 cars - which the survey claims to be the best to worse models.
From what's written on this thread, that is not the case. Bbroomlea specifically titled it 'top 100 cars'.
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>> model that appears anywhere in the list of 100 cars >> which the survey claims to be the best to worse models. From what's written on this thread, that is not the case. Bbroomlea specifically titled it 'top 100 cars'.
Still doesn't answer my earlier question though. If Mazda is the 2nd best manufacturer, why isn't there even one of their models in the top 100?
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>> >> >> model that appears anywhere in the list of 100 cars >> >> which the survey claims to be the best to worse >> models. >> >> From what's written on this thread, that is not the case. >> Bbroomlea specifically titled it 'top 100 cars'. >> Still doesn't answer my earlier question though. If Mazda is the 2nd best manufacturer, why isn't there even one of their models in the top 100?
No. I realise that, and I agree with you. I just didn't want people looking at that list and thinking the Fiat Coupe came 7th from bottom! :D
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>> model that appears anywhere in the list of 100 cars - >> which the survey claims to be the best to worse models. From what's written on this thread, that is not the case. Bbroomlea specifically titled it 'top 100 cars'.
If you look at the article(reached from the link) it lists the "10 least reliable cars" - which are the bottom 10 on the list of 100 posted above.
You are not seriously suggesting that any car from Mazda, Mitishubi, Hyundai, Lexus as well as the Yaris etc(all rated highly are in every other survey) are below the 100 models listed are you?
If so, how do their manufacturers appear so high on the list?
Given the list of models goes back to 1989, more Fiestas have probably been produced than any other car on that list. It only lists the 1996-2002 model. Yet the BMW 3 series is listed 3 times for the 91-99, 99-01 & 01-05 models; also listed are the 3 Series Compact, Z3, 5 Series & 7 Series.
I can't see any reason why the earlier and later versions of the Fiesta are not included; are tey better or worse than the 96-02 model?
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I would guess that Warranty Direct pay What Car for this feature - it's (not so) subtle PR for their insurance products.
There are loads of holes and anomalies in the survey and the analysis is trivial. For me a car is unreliable if I don't reach my destination due to a part breakdown.
It appears that the most common repair is to axles and suspensions. I'm sure this is due to the poor condition of our roads and the increased wear caused by traffic calming measures. These failures are progressive and can be scheduled for repair at the owner's convenience.
What Car is full of spurious data. I wouldn't rely on their depreciation predictions or their estimated servicing costs for 3 years either.
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