What's Ben's, I mean the Stig's, best time?
HJ
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Did you mean Mr Collins' best time or Mr McCarthy's?
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Either Stig. Ellen McArthur showed us how well she could respond to Stig's training and get it all perfect: braking, throttle control, lines: the lot. Nigel Mansell showed that whatever we may have felt about his personality in the past, he is still a great driver. Really not easy to do what he did, with very little practice.
HJ
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Have to say, NM's drive did look very smooth and very effortless. Boring, but very tidy and very quick.
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Oh to have sat in the back whilst Stig was coaching Mansell ;-)
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Yes - I wonder what out-take internal xmas show that will appear on!
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Have to say, NM's drive did look very smooth and very effortless. Boring, but very tidy and very quick. ----------------------------------------
Surely he has done his job if he makes it look as you quote above. To be honest the 2 seconds while not appearing much is an absolute gulf in track terms, especially when wrung out of a gutless tin box. Maybe if we are lucky this will start a trend amongst old and new F1 drivers, c'mon Button give it a go.
Methinks egos and potential egg on face scenarios will stop it taking off. I wonder if they have asked Colin McRae to have a go, or better still a real gung-ho driver like Raikonnen!!
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What's Ben's, I mean the Stig's, best time?
Old Stigs (Perry) time was 1 min, 46 secs.
www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/star_laps/jaykay.shtml
No idea what new stigs time is.
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Because Big C did say Stig thought it could be done in 1m 44, but not that he had done it in 1m 44.
HJ
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You could tell Mansell is a professional driver, from watching the lap (which turns out to be to laps) he didn't seem to me to be going that fast and looked a lot calmer.
The only downside for me was james Having to land !! they should have done the test after he could fly at night, having said that were would you land in london !!
I like the idea of having 12 rads on a car
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The only downside for me was james Having to land !! they should have done the test after he could fly at night, having said that were would you land in london !!
Biggin Hill?
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London City is nearer, but no idea on legalities of landing a light aircraft there.
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London City is nearer, but no idea on legalities ...
guys, these races between jezza and dick&james are a "con trick".
no different to the "space cadets" - except that the viewing public are being duped in to thinking it is all real. it is planned and scripted - just think aout it - the camera crew is always ready and waiting in the right place at the right time - and able to keep up with the person in fastest car/plane/boat/train?
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>guys, these races between jezza and dick&james are a "con trick".
I suppose you'll be telling us Father Christmas doesn't exist next.
The thing that disappoints me is they never use equivalent technology. In this case the fliers should have been in a Learjet so they could have spent the afternoon in an Italian bar and still beaten him back. When Dick&James use public transport for the whole journey Jezza should be driving a mid-range Mondeo. Or maybe not.
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Irrelevant as I find the whole Liana segment, would anyone agree the times are getting quicker as the Suzuki ´loosens up´?
Obviously not when it loosens up to the extent of losing a wheel, but you know what I mean. Any thoughts?
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I think the Stig has worked out the lines better, is training the drivers better and is getting drivers more receptive to training.
HJ
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the track must be rubbering in a bit as well if the same lines are being used.
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In response to Dalglish, I can confirm that SIARC is somewhat of a con. I worked at a driving event (unrelated to TG) at Dunsfold Aerodrome where it's filmed, and what you see on SIARC is the best moments edited and then put together to be the most entertaining. It was Chris Evans the day I was there, and I have to say his driving was very entertaining, pity they can't just film it realistically and put it on TV. They used 2 cars while we were there, and took about 3 hours to film it. I'd love to say the BBC were a helpful, accomodating bunch.... but they're the usual London ok yar we work in the meedja brigade. All a big dissapointment for me, and has taken any enjoyment of TG away. No sign of Clarkson, Hammond or May there by the way, just the goateed yuppies running about being self-important. I don't know WHY I was surprised by any of this, I suppose I hoped it wasn't!
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Of course the film shown on TV isn't just the best time lap. That would be as boring as watching motor racing. They edit together the most entertaining clips for waht is an entertainment show. But David Horn provides no evidence that the best time lap was not the best time lap.
HJ
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But there is an insinuation that it's "real time".... or so it seems to me. I just wish that it wasn't so slick... everyone hero-worships the likes of Clarkson, because the perception is that they are cool, and their lives are as slick as the programme and etc. etc. it's all a bit Boy's Own for me. I just think that us car enthusiasts don't help ourselves: I can hardly argue with my other half how intelligent we are when Top Gear is like Loaded and she sees mags like Max Power on the shelves. Even the esteemed "Car" is a posh boy's Max Power these days. I bet Setright, Bishop, Llewellyn et al are turning in their graves.
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the programe has to appeal to
Me
My son (15)
My wife
I dont supose son and wife have heard of Bishop & Llewellyn let alone read them.
Mind you glad son didnt read Setwright, dont want him thinking a Honda prelude was the best car in the world. Funny how the car he had at the time was the best car in the world.
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I can confirm that SIARC
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i have no problem with the liana lap times, and believe they are truly the best actually achieved.
what i don't believe is the contrived race between big "c" in his fast car versus the dick&james in "other" modes of transport.
imo: it is purely a sham, cut&paste, badly acted job devised to entertain.
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Yes I agree wholeheartedly. I believe the lap times as well, by the way... just don't agree with the way it's "sold" on the final show. Cut and paste indeed.
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can we please move away from this crawling, submissive, irritating term of "Big C" ?
Its truly toe-curling witnessing the use of such a sycophantic expression of hero-worship.
And I suspect Clarkson would find it just as ridiculous himself.
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Some time ago, I simply came to terms with the fact that Top Gear is NOT a motoring programme - it is light entertainment with a vaguely motoring theme.
Enjoy it, or don't enjoy it, but don't take it seriously.
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Wise words! I shall make the decision to finally admit to myself that at 33 I enjoy UKTV History, BBC4 and all the other documentary channels far more than I will ever enjoy Top Gear and all other light entertainment. It's quite liberating!
Is it Chico time yet?
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can we please move away from this crawling, submissive, irritating term of "Big C" ? Its truly toe-curling witnessing the use of such a sycophantic expression of hero-worship. And I suspect Clarkson would find it just as ridiculous himself.
.......I only just realised that the "C" in Big C stood for Clarkson, and all this time there's me thinking it was.....err well, like clever-clogs or something!
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May i ask what the C stands for? ;-)
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Next time I go to Thailand I'll try to take some pix of the 'Big C' logo. Hardly sycophantic. It's a chain of cut-price mega-stores somewhere below Tesco Lotus and Makro in the status stakes.
HJ
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Next time I go to Thailand I'll try to take some pix of the 'Big C' logo
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this will save you the trouble:
www.bigc.co.th/th/index.asp
if you re-read my note, you will see that i said big "c" - because i don't use capital letters !
anyway, why get so hot under the collar about such trivia.
ah, it must be christmas time again.
no-fm2r may recall that i am the last person likely to be crawling, submissive, sycophantic or given in to "hero-worship". there are just two people that come near to "hero-worship" status for me, my parents - and the extraordinary special reason for that would give away my identity.
there are many others i do greatly admire and respect, but big "c" is not one of them.
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Thanks Dalglish. Hope you don't mind me combining your last 3 posts into one.
HJ
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"i don't use capital letters"
Why not? Is it a fashion statement, or are you e.e.cummings?
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>>It's a chain of cut-price mega-stores
So what's it got to do with Clarkson then ?
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So what's it got to do with Clarkson then ?
Presumably because they're called Big C, and Clarkson's surname begin's with a C, and he's, er, well, big.
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It is about as nauseating as cricketers etc who call themsleves Warnie, Goughie, Vaughnie and so on. Luckily it doesn't work with all of them so we don't have Trescothickie, Harmisonie and so on! By the way they all drive cars.
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