just been laughing at the test drive of the new civic.
his mate cant get comfortable and doesnt want to drive after the first car.
because of the a pillars the passenger has a better view.you need oversized wing mirrors for parking(suppose this is because you cant see nowt out the back window.
and the 1.8 is the least favourable of the engines,when honda are expecting it to be the most popular?
this is the new class leader?
god help the rest in that sector!!
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I am wondering what the attraction of the 1.4 engine is, apart from lower insurance? It's economy advantage over the 1.8 is negligible, but the performance difference is huge.
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Interesting that HJ completely disagrees with the Saturday telegraph reviewer, who hated the auto option.
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unless you really want a automatic it puts you off buying a car?
as for the diesel,cant remember where i read it but it said they had to alter the engine to make it fit and its made it louder.losts its bonus of being a quiet diesel then.looks are are about its main asset ,well as long as your not looking from the back because i dont think its that nice from the rear.somebody posted earlier that it might not do so well,could be right?
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I think the diesel will be the corker. If it's as good as the Accord, then it will be a fantastic drive.
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Looks may be its main asset, if you like that sort of thing. Until it loses its novelty value, and then it will start to look terminally out-of-fashion in a way that a more conservative design doesn't.
Only high fashion can rescue a car which has no rear visibility, poor side visibility, and restricted front visibility. I wonder what'll happen to resale values when the fashionistas move on?
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I don't see the point of making cars with poor visibility, as it rather negates all of the modern day safety features.
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This link will help Backroomers check out the test without having to click on 'Road Tests'.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=197
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I don't see the point of making cars with poor visibility, as it rather negates all of the modern day safety features.
I guess that theoretically, it would be possible to make a car with such brilliant passive safety that its occupants would come
away unscathed no matter what they crashed into, rendering active safety somewhat irrelevant. Maybe Honda is trying to nake a big, pioneering step in that direction?
Personally, I'd prefer to be able to see where I as going so that I could avoid hiting things in the first place. But I'm probabbly just old-fashioned.
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Well, in the real world, we would all be better of avoiding collisions, not just for ourselves and our passengers, but also for the poor blighters who may well be on the receiving end.
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well the fat hairy bloke on 5th gear just had orgasms about how good it was, the diesel.
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Two Thoughts:
1) How safe is it to have 'its petrol tank under the front seats'?
2) Is this an example where too much of the concept car has been crossed over to the production model, with the practicalities like rear visibility being overlooked!?
DB
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1) How safe is it to have 'its petrol tank under the front seats'?
No worse than under the rear seats, I would imagine, where most cars already are.
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The interior is nice looking but I'd rather not have a car that made me wretch every time I had to look at it on the driveway....
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For years the Japanese have been criticised for producing reliable but rather dull cars (some exceptions noted)
Now they produce a reliable (hopefully) exciting car and they are still criticised.
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reliable yes!
exciting well, if this civic gets you excited your an easy fella to please.
i had been looking forward to the new civic and its already lost its sparkle for me and its not even out yet.
radicle doesnt seem to inspire confidence for long term ownership.
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Point of interest, Wantone. Most of us misskey, but are your grammatical and spelling errors deliberate?
HJ
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thats such a trivial point to make.
must have written something you dont agree with so you have to
point out my poor spelling?
shame on you.
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I have just read the review of the car in today's Indpendent motoring section. The reviewer (John Simister) liked the diesel version but was not so keen on the 1.8 engine. He did rate the ride as not good, so that's it knocked on the head for me, I think.
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Everyone is arguing already. Andy English didn't like the I-SHIFT. I preferred it to the manual in the 1.8 because of the 1.8's power delivery. John Simister didn't rate the ride. I had no problem with the ride. Sam Hardy of Auto Express gave it a five stars eulogy, though did criticise rearward vision. Autocar's Matt Prior gave it a favourable four star review, but didn't mention reversing.
HJ
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Wantone, this isn't trivial at all. If you think it's clever to deliberately miss-spell, or can't be bothered to try to use grammar correctly then why should anyone bother to take your postings seriously?
HJ
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this is a trivial matter and you seem to be taking it to far.
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Come on HJ, that is out of order.
I like to think my posts are all reasonably legible and articulate, but I'm good at English and a fast typer so it's no effort for me to do. Maybe Wantone isn't that good at English, or a fast typist? His effort vs mine would be greater.
I am very pedantic with the matter of spelling and grammar, but I've never had a problem with his posts. My own personal bugbear is 'txt tlk'
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Typer? When did that become a word? I meant typist. 1 out of 2 isn't bad, I guess.
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"a fast typer"
I'd like a Type R, too...
WRT spelling and punctuation, though, I'm afraid I'm with HJ. If people can't be bothered to write properly (or even to use the shift key) why should I bother to read it?
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One thing that John Simister does is to compare it with three rivals, which included the C4 2.0 HDI VTR plus, which he says is more expensive. However, this would be unlikely to be the case when it comes down to real world prices, as the VTR plus can be had for around £14K from drivethedeal.com, and the cheapest of the Civic CDTis is over £15K, with no discounts currently available (and it is doubtful they will ever be heavily discounted for a long time). I wish reviewers would take this into account when comparing value for money.
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These days, with the economy failing (half the predicted growth rate), there are usually small discounts on new models from day one. I'll see if drivethedeal can do anything.
HJ
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I checked on drivethedeal.com, HJ, before my last post. There is a small discount available on autobytel.co.uk, however.
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I'm no fan of Japanese cars normally, but I do like the look of this Civic after seeing on 5th gear the other night.
This coupled with Hondas engineering genius should make it a winner.
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Today's Autocar has a group test where they are judged on how sporty they are to drive. Focus won, Golf was 2nd, Civic 3rd. All diesels. In response to Roly, the Civic is not a Japanese car. Its a British car, designed by a Japanese. They're all made in Swindon.
HJ
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Today's Autocar has a group test where they are judged on how sporty they are to drive. Focus won, Golf was 2nd, Civic 3rd.
Just as well they didn't judge it on visibility, or the Civic would have come tenth out of three!
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I must say that after sitting in the new Civic today, my initial enthusiasm for this new model has totally evaporated into disappointment with the poor visibility and lack of lumber support from the driver`s seat my main concerns.
A car is the sum of many parts and while Honda should be applauded for their bold futuristic design, it is absolutely essential that this should not compromise driver visibility and ultimate safety.
So the car that was previously high on my next car list has now been scrubbed completely and due to the feeling of claustrophobia, I don`t even want a test drive, so will be checking out Focus/Golfs instead.
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I must say that after sitting in the new Civic today, my initial enthusiasm for this new model has totally evaporated into disappointment with the poor visibility and lack of lumber support from the driver`s seat my main concerns. A car is the sum of many parts and while Honda should be applauded for their bold futuristic design, it is absolutely essential that this should not compromise driver visibility and ultimate safety.
I totally agree about the visibility issue. I can't comment about the seats.
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Today's Autocar has a group test where they are judged on how sporty they are to drive. Focus won, Golf was 2nd, Civic 3rd. All diesels. In response to Roly, the Civic is not a Japanese car. Its a British car, designed by a Japanese. They're all made in Swindon. HJ
Where is the Honda Company Registered ?
Where do the core company profits go ?
Where is the intellectual capital rights for the engineering design legally held ?
There is a huge difference between, something that is assembled in Britain and something being of British origin, I would rather we designed the car from the ground up and it was assembled abroad, from a balance of trade perspective.
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Where is the Honda Company Registered ? Where do the core company profits go ? Where is the intellectual capital rights for the engineering design legally held ?
Roly, do you want to list any car manufacturers which can answer "UK" to all 3 questions?
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Manganese Bronze?
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One thing I will say in defence of Honda. Here they have a 1.8 petrol engine returning in excess of 45 mpg overall and with an urban figure in the mid thirties. How would the competition compare with this? Not very favourably, I am pretty sure.
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Manganese Bronze?
That's probably the biggest company which gets 3 out of 3.
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>> Manganese Bronze? That's probably the biggest company which gets 3 out of 3.
They are car manufacturers?
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They make the London Cab.
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Black taxis
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>> Where is the Honda Company Registered ? >> Where do the core company profits go ? >> Where is the intellectual capital rights for the engineering design legally >> held ? Roly, do you want to list any car manufacturers which can answer "UK" to all 3 questions?
Other than the Black London cabs I can't, and this is my whole point.
Lets not be seduced by non UK companies telling us how wonderful it is that they let us assemble their products, the Thatcher years are long over as this was the sort of carp they fed us with then!
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"It's a British car, designed by a Japanese"
Better the other way round, I feel.
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> Civic is not a Japanese car. Its a British car, designed by a Japanese.
> They're all made in Swindon.
Hehe, following the punchline of Proudly British Hondas - Mercedes is Indian, Mitsubishi is Dutch and Chevrolet Korean to point but few in right direction.
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"because of the A pillars the passenger has a better view"
Funnily enough, Motor Cycle News this week has an item about A-pillars obstructing drivers' views of bikers, which was an increasing problem even before the new Civic was invented. TRL is looking into the connection, apparently.
Strange that a bike maker like Honda would overlook such a thing. I speak with some feeling, as the chief mechanic from my local bike shop was killed a couple of weeks ago on a straight, open stretch of road, by a driver who blundered out of a gated entrance (not even a road) in front of him...
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Well, I was keen on seeing them in the flesh with a view to replacing the Megane, but all the stories here have rather tainted my enthusiasm.
Still, AutoExpress readers are keen....
www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/62547/bold_new_civic_is...l
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Don't let other peoples' views cloud your thinking. Go and try it, see if it's right for you. Otherwise you will end up with a Mondeo TDCi.
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Trying lots of different alternatives was precisely how I ended up with a Mondeo TDCI ;-)
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