Quite agree if you can be undertaken then generally you're in the wrong lane, don't blame WVM look to you own driving....
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Yep no sympathy from me either.
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Is it National Blame the Victim Day or something? Have I overlooked it?
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Is it National Blame the Victim Day or something? Have I overlooked it?
Nope. I'm not agreeing with what the WVM did, but the fact that he was able to suggests that he wasn't the only person there driving badly (thoughtlessly).
In fact, when you bear in mind that the correct mode of driving would be to stay in the middle lane (assuming left lane is full) until you reach the slower car and then turn out, you could argue that WVM was driving better.
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I agree with HJ. It's part of the 'queue-culture' of the UK, that you get one car in the middle lane, and a long queue of cars in the right waiting to pass.
It really isn't the way the motorways were designed to work.
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I would agree with you HJ to some extent, that sometimes with drivers not staying to the left and below the speed limit/with the LH lane empty, they are passed on the near side.
Howeever, what i have noticed is that sometimes when i am in one of the RH lanes overtaking, and want to get back into the LH lane, someone, either comes right behind me, and starts to tailgate, which makes moving into the LH lane more difficult, or worse still, was a situation i had last week.
A bloke comes behind me, i am indicating left to get into the left hand lane (since i have finished my overtaking manouver, and waiting for a safe space to pull in), as i am about to pull left, he indicates left, powers past me and pulls in front of me. Now due to awareness i was able to judge what he was up to, but it was so scary to think what would have happened if i had pulled left and been hit on my LH corner at motorway speeds.
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None of us were there, and to me it seems like the culture of leaving even a 1 second gap (never mind a 2 sec gap) is looked on as wasting space on the road and inviting intrusion from the lane on your left. WVM had no right to undertake - an illegal manouver let's remember - did he sit behind in lane 3 first, or did he just storm up lane 2? Would he have done it if it was a marked police car in lane 3? I think not. Two wrongs do not make a right. This thread effectively Condones undertaking - on a public forum this is not good.
I see numerous occasions where lane 3 make little progress over lane 2. If he had nowhere to go in lane 3 that's not his fault is it? But clearly you think it is, just WHEN can he move to lane 3....that's what I would like to hear?
Wonder what a rapturous reception would you give if he was WVM reporting in on the same incident...I wonder, I really do.
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I use the 2 lane stretch of M3 on a daily basis and at busy times the left lane always makes more progress than than the outside lane,the outside lane is always stopping because the muppets drive too closely and the inside lane just keeps moving.
On many occasions i have undertaken marked Police vehicles,quite deliberatly and have never been stopped.
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In a similar situation I would also undertake. Hoging a lane is bad driving, why not put your foot down a bit and get past the vehicle you were overtaking? or were you mearly lane hoging?
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To quote: "I was proceeding at the legal limit in the outside lane of the M3..." That is the dilemma of the law-abiding motorist. To drive at the legal limit in the outside lane when traffic is flowing at its natural speed is to create a moving hazard so, in the interests of road safety, please don't try it!
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I think most posters are being somewhat ridiculous here ? the typical motorway scenario is that everybody sits in a stream in lane 3 because they?d all be going faster if only it wasn?t for the car in front on them.
If you pull out of that stream into lane 2, then it can be very difficult to get back into lane 3 ? drivers remaining there will often try to block you so you can?t pull out again, and next thing you?re stuck behind a lorry doing 50.
Allowing undertaking, as is typical (but uncertain if legal) in the US might help, but the difference there is most people seem happy to cruise along at 65 or so, and the trucks run at the same speed too, so the whole thing flows better. In the UK, you'd get people doing 100+ weaving from lane to lane and I fear there would be frequent carnage.
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Forum pedant here, but undertaking is not illegal. It used to be, but was removed from statute books many years ago. You may be reported for 'driving without due car and attention' or 'dangerous driving' for inappropriately passing on the left, but never for undertaking.
Justifying a situation like by saying "If I didn't do as everyone else was doing I'd get held up and wouldn't be able to go as fast as I like" doesn't really hold up.
JW
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It doesn't seem to have occurred to barney100 that he might have been at fault for driving in the wrong lane, which he obviously was by leaving enough space on his left to be overtaken by the white van. Anyone hogging a lane in this manner should expect to be passed on the nearside and should pay as much attention to their mirrors as to the road ahead. Alternatively, drive as much as possible in the left lane where it is not normally necessary to constantly watch the nearside mirror for overtaking vehicles. HJ
You having a bad day or something?
I don't really see how you can come to such a harsh conclusion and issue a public rebuke without knowing a bit more detail.
It is possible, for example, that 400 meters ahead there was a slow artic in the middle lane, so barney100 moved into lane 3 in readiness to overtake, but white van man took the opportunity to take advantage?
It's possible that he was already overtaking something in lane 2, which moved into lane 1 and before Barney100 could move to lane 2, was undertaken?
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Current car: 55-reg Audi A4 2.5 V6TDi Quattro flappy-paddle
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It is possible, for example, that 400 meters ahead there was a slow artic in the middle lane, so barney100 moved into lane 3 in readiness to overtake, but white van man took the opportunity to take advantage? >> ------------ MoneyMart Current car: 55-reg Audi A4 2.5 V6TDi Quattro flappy-paddle
FOUR HUNDRED METRES???!!! Erm... that's not 'readiness' that's premature...evacuation! Forty metres would do it.
That's why most motorcyclists can drive the length of the country, in lane 1 90% of the time... only popping in to lane 2 to overtake when its required, then back to gentle and systematic undertaking at 10mph faster than lane 2...or lane 3.
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Agreed with HJ, if you aren't passing and you can be passed on the inside then expect for that to happen. Last night I was driving up the M40 to Warwick from London and initially was going from the nearside right out to the outside and then right back to the near side to pass people in the middle lane who were passing thin air. This usually earned me a flash of the lights as I came across their front back to the nearside (at a sensible distance I might add). So I gave up and just passed them on the inside which earned suprised looks instead.
Almost as annoying as the guy in the Red 406 HDI sitting in the outside lane doing about 5-10mph more than the middle lane traffic, until he got close to it, then passing it at 1mph more then shooting off again. Gnnahhh
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You do not fully appreciate the situation, the gap between me and the vehicle in front was safe but the vwm that overtook me on the inside then pulled into the gap making it unsafe. Are you advocating overtaking on the inside. I also stated that I was well aware of the presence of the wvm. The traffic in the outside lane was getting past the middle lane and I was only a short distance from going past a slower vehicle when I was cut up. I dislike lane hogging as much as anyone, sorry but I was doing nothing illegal or of any annoyance to any rational driver.
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Sorry Hj but I had positioned myself correctly and safely to get past slower middle lane traffic and this WVM who could have followed my path chose to go past on the inside and make use of the gap between me and the vehicle in front. No way could I have been accused of lane hogging.
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I do beg to differ on this.
I think that if you are in a stream of traffic on outside lane at same lick as all the others, and overtaking vehicles on the left of you, what is the problem with that? I don't like to cut in and reduce the gap between me and car in front and behind in middle lane, especially when they are travelling at a lower speed than me.. I also find that it is sometimes hard to get back out to the inside lane.
It sometimes happens that you will be overtaken on inside by some tailgaiter who puts on a burst of speed so he can be in front of you and arrive at his destination a couple of seconds before you.
I hate lane hoggers when there is nothing else in sight, but sometimes you are better off staying where you are if you are keeping up with all the others in front of you.
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>>leaving a safe distance
Now there's your problem. You should either be on the hard shoulder or 3cms from the car in front. Don't you know anything about driving these days? If you'd been sensible enough not to leave enough room between you and the car in front for a pink fluffy dice in a van, this would never have happened. Shame on you.
Is it me or has the world gone mad? The whole attitude seems to be "get out of my way". It's not your way, it's not my way. It's everybody's way and if there isn't enough of it for your liking, wonder why there's not more of it being built rather than undertaking/tailgating and generally throwing away the highway code and respect for other drivers.
Safer cars seem to have led to more people taking risks. Crash a Vauxhall Viva on a motorway and you were in a lot of trouble so tended to drive carefully. If you crash your 5*NCAP wally wagon, you'd be unlucky to break a fingernail if the fingernail airbag fails to deploy. If the airbags were replaced with spikes, people would be a lot more circumspect about how they drive.
Lee -- Do you have any conceivable reason for even getting up in the morning?
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