"At least he should be able to take care of himself in his new accommodation"
Doubt that, he?s about 4 stone 8 isn?t he? I think he fought at candy floss weight or something.
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Looks like he's a bit over-weight from the pictures today. And he was allegedly going to start boxing again in USA later this year... maybe he was going for heavy-weight :-)
Lets hope he has to take care of himself because then he won't be out on license/parole according to the 50% of sentence rule if behaved ;-) As a professional, ex-champion boxer he might find it difficult justifying physical action.
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And now back to motoring please.
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Thanks, Dave. As some of you may have spotted, minor editing has been necessary in this thread. We will be watching what is posted carefully, only because we have to. Please continue to discuss.
HJ
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What I found interesting was the reference to the DVLA not releasing details of his previous convictions on 'human rights' grounds. Whats that all about??
To the best of my knowledge the DVLA Driving Livence database holds details of convictions until they are considered spent. Eg drink/drive are on for 10 years.
Those convictions are readily available to the the prosecution and courts.
Pugugly have you a handle on this one?
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Surely prison is not the right place for hamed? Prison should be for dangerous people or those persistant offenders who will not mend their ways by any other means. Hamed should in my view have been punished by a longer ban and a sentence which ensured he put something back into the community. I don't mean a soft option, but something like 20 unpaid hours per week for the next five years working with RTA victims. It would ensure he made a positive contribution and would do far more to make him alter his driving habits than banging him up among violent, psychopathic criminals for fifteen months, all at the taxpayers expense.
I think in a lot of motoring cases prison is used in a very unimaginitive way because we cannot be bothered to to do something more positive with offenders who are not otherwise of a criminal nature. An IAM magazine of a couple of years ago claimed that more people were imprisoned for motoring offences than for burgalry.
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A very well put argument Tom, and one I agree with.
Mostly
However, where someone's driving is so deliberately reckless and agressive then things change. If I was to be agressive and beat someone I didnt know around with a baseball bat, you would want me put in jail for some time.
Hamed's baseball bat was the car. In effect he was put away for GBH
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I'm with Tom Shaw. Prison will teach him what exactly?
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He deserves the jail sentence but I think he also deserves a permanent ban from driving.
Permanent revocation of driving licences should be used against people who have shown by their behaviour that they are psychologically unfit to drive a motor vehicle.
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Permanent revocation of driving licences should be used against people who have shown by their behaviour that they are psychologically unfit to drive a motor vehicle.
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Hamed will eventually get HIS licence back but from what I read today the Golf driver has had his licence taken away and is unlikely to ever drive again.
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I read the other driver has not only lost his license, but has also had one leg shortened, recently had a "cage" fitted to his right arm and has impaired eye sight. 15 months does seem a bit short. If the Golf driver had died then the sentence would have been nearer 14 years.
Keeping it on a motoring theme, I wonder if the fact the Mclaren Mercedes was left hand drive had any bearing on the incident. Surely he should not have been overtaking on such a road, just before the road dipped, without proper forward visibility.
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Some further reporting
news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=715102006
The Golf, driven by Anthony Burgin, 38, was propelled backwards by the impact.
Hamed's car then hit a second vehicle, a Ford Mondeo he had been trying to overtake.
The court heard that the driver of the Mondeo, Michael Wood, described Hamed's overtaking manoeuvre as "stupid, suicide, ridiculous".
Jailing Hamed for 15 months yesterday, Judge Alan Goldsack, QC, said: "I have to balance the many features in this case: the aggravating features of hugely excessive speed, a blatantly dangerous manoeuvre, your persistent disregard of the speeding laws and the dreadful consequences of this offence for your victims, against the mitigating features of a guilty plea, your good character in all respects other than motoring matters and the absence of some features present in many such cases - the most obvious being drink."
Mr Goldsack added: "You could easily have killed Mr Burgin."
Hamed showed no emotion as he was sent down.
Members of his family, who were sitting in the packed public gallery, broke down in tears.
Outside court, Jane Wright, the solicitor for Mr Burgin and his wife, said: "Our clients are extremely relieved with this decision and the sentence that has been returned.
"People must never underestimate the amount of damage done to people's lives through driving dangerously.
"They hope that this sentence will help other people realise the dangers inherent in speeding."
Hamed's family refused to make any comment.
Hamed's solicitor, Steve Smith, who has known the boxer for 16 years, said he was "very disappointed" with the result and added that he did not think Hamed's celebrity status had been an advantage. end of quote.
Maybe others are also "very disappointed" with the result!
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>>Prison will teach him what exactly?>>
a) that you are removed from society for such behaviour.
b) that a four year driving ban seems to last for ever.
I don't care what prison might teach him.
It keeps him off the roads and, therefore, is no longer a danger for the time that he is inside to other road users.
Even better, however, would be a permanent driving ban.
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The four year driving ban should commence once he has been released from prison; in effect it's really only about a three year driving ban as he is imprisoned for the first part of the ban.
Even better, as I said, would be a permanent driving ban.
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>>The four year driving ban should commence once he has been released from prison; in effect it's really only about a three year driving ban as he is imprisoned for the first part of the ban.
Thoroughly agree with that.
Lee -- You don\'t sell the steak, you sell the sizzle
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What I found interesting was the reference to the DVLA not releasing details of his previous convictions on 'human rights' grounds.>>
Yet the DVLA is quite happy to release such information to clamping firms....
Perhaps the reason is due to the fact that it receives payment for such information.
I would have thought that police enquiries would be vastly higher on the desirabilty to acquire information scale?
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The DVLA's decision led to Hamed being sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court on Friday without the judge being told he had previously banned for a year for driving a Porsche at 110mph on the M1 in Derbyshire.
He also had three other previous convictions for speeding offences, details of which the prosecution had to find from court records.
Regardless of whether or not the DVLA would cooperate, the police national computer and Court records should AFAIK contain that information.
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>>details of which the prosecution had to find from court records.>>
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anyway, someone who drives whilst wearing boxing gloves is asking for trouble!
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"Permanent revocation of driving licences should be used against people who have shown by their behaviour that they are psychologically unfit to drive a motor vehicle."
This would only be effective if they fined him extremely heavily (£500,000) and revoked his passport as well. Otherwise he could simply leave the country, set up somewhere else and get a licence there.
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this particular case, it does convince me that there should be an extra level of proven competence required to qualify people to drive vehicles capable of very high performance. Many readily available cars today have the power to get someone with average skills into big trouble very quickly indeed, often with tragic consequences to them or others.
Perhaps the time has arrived when something along the lines of the Institute of Advanced Motorist tests should be passed before a suitable 'performance driver' permit be appended to a driver's licence to allow him or her to get behind the wheel of such a machine.
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Naseem hamed will not have a hard time in prison. He will be treated as a celebrity both by staff and inmate.
The welfare women will flutter around him like mother hens. The Officers will love to chat with him and the cons will treat him as a hero.
He will quickly be transferred to an open prison which is similar to a country club and will be given a job such as the Governors tea by or in charge of the Library.
The PEIs (Physical educations Instructors) will endeavour to have him as one of their helpers and appeal to the Governor to have him.
After working in prisons for 32 years I can assure you this is the way it works.
Unless he chooses to misbehave himself he will be treated as the Prince.........
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Naseem hamed will not have a hard time in prison. He will be treated as a celebrity both by staff and inmate. The welfare women will flutter around him like mother hens. The Officers will love to chat with him and the cons will treat him as a hero. He will quickly be transferred to an open prison which is similar to a country club and will be given a job such as the Governors tea by or in charge of the Library. The PEIs (Physical educations Instructors) will endeavour to have him as one of their helpers and appeal to the Governor to have him. After working in prisons for 32 years I can assure you this is the way it works. Unless he chooses to misbehave himself he will be treated as the Prince.........
Hi Alvin - a depressing indictment of a pretty lousy system it would seem.
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If he is in prison it would be crassly stupid not to use his talents for the benefits of other 'inmates'. What's the point of wasting his skills to the detriment of others? The man cannot be with his wife and forthcoming child for the period of his incarceration. That's his punishment. It doesn't stop him doing something benefiial.
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If he is in prison it would be crassly stupid not to use his talents for the benefits of other 'inmates'. What's the point of wasting his skills to the detriment of others? The man cannot be with his wife and forthcoming child for the period of his incarceration. That's his punishment. It doesn't stop him doing something benefiial. HJ
But he hasn't got any useful skills/talents has he? He is just a boxer and seems to have a vacuous mind and inability to drive a car safely.
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He was a good boxer though!
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He was a good boxer though!
Marco Antonio Barrera wasnt that impressed.
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>>He was a good boxer though!<<
"Was" up until that point...
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As this thread keeps straying from motoring discussion, and most things have been said about Naseem's conviction making the subject pretty well exhausted....
Thread locked - DD.
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