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I make a point of telling my customers in the charging zone that I will charge them £12 extra. £8 for CC, £4 for admin. Most complain bitterly, but it wasn't me that voted him in.
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"Couldn't agree more, i will not drive to london at all now to give Ken his CG"
One could therefore argue that it's working! (Although £25 seems punitivs)
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"Couldn't agree more, i will not drive to london at all now to give Ken his CG"
One could therefore argue that it's working! (Although £25 seems punitivs)
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I agree - the whole idea is to prevent people driving into London so if people say they will stop then it's working.
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I make a point of telling my customers in the charging zone that I will charge them £12 extra. £8 for CC, £4 for admin. Most complain bitterly, but it wasn't me that voted him in.
They didn't vote him in either. The system kind of did. Only one in ten Londoners voted for Ken during last elections. It was solely down to the bizarre "primary votes, secondary votes" and "no second round if no majority vote" rules....
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Why anyone would want to go to the wholly unpleasant Central London, let alone pay to do so, is beyond me.
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Surely someone who can afford a 4.4l Range Rover and the fuel won't mind paying 25 quid? So this effectively penalises people on low incomes who might drive older, higher polluting cars. What a stupid tax.
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Surely someone who can afford a 4.4l Range Rover and the fuel won't mind paying 25 quid?
>> So this effectively penalises people on low incomes who might drive older, higher polluting cars. What a stupid tax.
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And people like me who keep an older car running because I believe overall it is greener than scrapping it for a "newer" version.
So my choice is to just pollute the perimeter of the CC area and I assume the pollution always drifts outwards so thats all right then.
Shopping in London? Forget it. I will not even be thinking about it.
Hospital visits, public transport not an option? Well tough, pay up! What a wonderful world!
P.S. latest bill to date for Ken and his boys trip to Cuba etc. £36K and counting. So thats all right too!
Various figures "Livingstone 'wasted £36,000 on Latin American trip'
"KEN Livingstone has revealed his stop-over in Cuba and aborted trip to Venezuela cost Londoners a "modest" £29,637.
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Pay attention at the back. Band G only applies to cars registered after March 2006. So it won't actually hit "older, higher polluting cars".
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Pay attention at the back.
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Why anyone would want to go to the wholly unpleasant Central London, let alone pay to do so, is beyond me.
Couldn't agree more, it's hole.
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Why anyone would want to go to the wholly unpleasant Central London, let alone pay to do so, is beyond me.
Straordinary fellow....
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The fact that band A and B cars won't have to pay anything shows this is no longer a congestion charge, but a CO2 emission charge. People now go out and buy band A and B cars and clog up the road thereby increasing congestion - pathetic.
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I think this suggestion may be a good thing.......hopefully it'll focus the minds of Londoners and persaude them to vote this morally corrupt baffoon out!
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>>to vote this morally corrupt baffoon out!>>
Along with the government ministers etc many of whom are still using "gas guzzling" vehicles as ministerial transport, yet tell the man in the street not to do so...
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.>> .....hopefully it'll focus the minds of Londoners and persaude them to vote this morally corrupt baffoon out!
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unlikely, even with his recent £40,000 wasted jouney to meet his "bestmates" castro and chavez who jilted him.
the people who vote him in are not those who pay the congestion charge. as long as there is a majority of ethnic and underclass population in london, livingstone will win handsomely every time.
the congestion charge works as is demonstrated in the first few replies to this thread. the result of very high charges, and by law of unintended consequences, will be that as in the old soviet communist era, the roads will be mainly for the chauffeur driven ruling classes in big limos or 4x4s.
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Out of curiosity, are politicians exempt from the charge?
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>>Out of curiosity, are politicians exempt from the charge?<<
No I do not think they are.
They will jsut claim it back of us as travel expenses.
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I live 30 miles on the outskirrts of london. I go into London regularly on business and pleasure. I have never had to pay the congestion charge. No one else has to either so whats the big deal. London is about the only place that has decent enough public transport to get away with it.
Why not go the whole hog. Ban cars completely - ah no tax income
So everyone, do what ken wants, dont drive in and dont pay the tax. see what he does then.
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it is particularly offensive for drivers with automatic transmissions, many of which have knee problems or similar - the reason many drive auto's in the first place
if you look at a list of typical family cars with auto transmissions you will see many are in surprizingly high groups
this already causes issues with car tax
really for people with minor health problems like this there should be a fairer tax regime in place
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I'm sorry. Anyone who lives or works in London.. with all its ridiculous house prices.. and its excellent transport system.. and who then drives a car inside the City is nuts..At those prices, a taxi is economic.
It has been obvious for three years that the congestion charge will be increased.. so why complain ...re-arrange your life to avoid it.
Anyone with a big 4x4 deserves as much sympathy as they give to the environment..
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I go into London regularly on business and pleasure. I have never had to pay the congestion charge. No one else has to either so whats the big deal. London is about the only place that has decent enough public transport to get away with it.
Oh thank you. An example of one big deal.
I was ferrying my recently deceased brother for treatment to and from London medical centres in my old auto Mondeo. Dear dear Ken would be charging me £25 a trip. Obviously I would have payed double that or more in the circumstances but it is just not acceptable to be taxed for hospital visits, planned or otherwise.
Public transport certainly was not an option and I live 15 miles from central London.
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Not much of the road tax goes on roads anyhow.
that's because it's not road tax,hasn't been since the 1930s.it's a vehicle excise licence,i.e.a tax on car use.
Roads are funded by the treasury(national) and council tax(local).
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Hmm. Assuming 250,000 vehicles a day enter central London 300 days of the year, at £25 a pop that equates to... erm, actually more than this pocket calculator can handle.
After fetching my scientific calculator which can spit out the answer in exponential notation, that's 1.25x10^9 pounds. Enough for 41,000 Cuba trips. He's going to be rolling in it.
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What happens when everyone is driving the charge exempt cars? Seems to me congestion will be the same as before the charge.
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According to the May 2006 VCA New Car Fuel Consumption and Emission Figures there were then ten petrol engined cars and twenty four diesel engined cars that emitted and presumably still emit less than 120g/km CO2. If they are now as exempt from Ken Gesture Tax as electric cars like the G-Wiz, that actually makes some sort of sense even though CO2 emissions from motor vehicles remain less than 0.03% of all CO2 emissions. Now that Chelsea will be part of the Ken Gesture Tax zone, Chelsea tractor prices are plumetting. See Monday's auction report.
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However if I were a BMW dealer with a couple of X3 2.0 diesels in stock, I might be feeling rather pleased with myself as that's in Band F - and the RAv4 2.2 180 is in Band E.
But there will be a lot of people who object to paying £5k a year (i.e., £8,333 before tax) to run a low mileage 4x4 in London - if only because it makes a depreciation-proof, 15-year old Range Rover as expensive as a brand new, leased X3 - whereas before they could live with the poor fuel consumption due to driving only 3,000 miles a year.
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Does this mean that London will soon be comletely congested with Lexus RX 400h's everywhere?
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It means London will be congestion free so Ministerial cars can drive away to their hearts content.. as benefits our lords, masters and superior beings.. :-((((
Until we vote them out..
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As a plutocrat, I will now be debating whether to get an Audi A8 3.0d, BMW 730d or Mercedes S320 cdi.
All Band F (surprisingly, the 730d emits the least CO2 ) and just the sort of vehicle to annoy Ken.
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