having had the displeasure of driving a 3 cylinder one of these last year i can honestly say its the worst car ive ever ever driven (low mileage as well) i would rather go for a drive on a 3 wheeled trolley jack than have another spin in one of those
i had it in for a rear end bump by the way and there was nothing behind the rear bumper for energy distortion so the rear wing came out like a semaphore. It was a 2mph bump caused by the old dears own son in his daewoo behind her
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Clarkson's delivery borders on the racist sometimes and I don't approve of that, even if it's meant (mostly) without malice.
The thing is that he's absolutely right about the Kelisa. I saw one parked in a row of mostly nondescript superminis and it stood out like a McLaren SLR would, only for all the wrong reasons.
06 plate, with a dealer sticker advertising it as a special offer for only £4,695 (though it was on street parking), dirty, dented, and tired looking.
Perhaps it's for people who want a CityRover but can't afford one?
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Clarkson's delivery borders on the racist sometimes and I don't approve of that, even if it's meant (mostly) without malice.
As time goes by the Top Gear trio become more and more like a triple act from a Northern working men's club stuck in the 70's.
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As time goes by the Top Gear trio become more and more like a triple act from a Northern working men's club stuck in the 70's.
hey...............i resemble that remark ;-}
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Distastefully rude in my opinion, and a bit of a waste of breath too. Seems to me there's a point where mischief becomes offensive.
That has been Clarkson's style for 20+ years and I doubt he is going to change any time soon. At least he did not make references to swinging between trees, and eating bananas. He must be mellowing with (middle) age. Anyway, does anyone really take his views seriously? Surely he is the clown we all like to laugh at. After all, he is a stinking rich fat lazy middle aged male who likes fast cars and pretends to hate animals, the countryside, conservation, and any other vaguely green issue. (He is actually a member of the RSPB if I recall correctly. And plants seeds to grow crops to feed dicky birds. Probably secretly camps outside Greenham Common with the bearded 'peace wimmin'. I'm sure he will soon announce to the world that he is to undergo a sex-change, and that he is a lesbian. It would not surprise me.)
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You never see him and Ann Widdecoombe in the same room.....
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"He is like a soccer commentator, he does not play the game but knows the technical aspects of the game," Suliman said.
That's being kind to him! He thinks that the be all and end all of acceleration is torque at the engine, and apparently isn't aware that it's torque at the wheels that really matters. He appears to me to be a journalist with little or no technical knowledge of cars.
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L\'escargot.
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Malaysian elections coming soon, standard politician's "smoke and mirrors".
Rgs
Jim
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Similar reaction in Korea a couple of years ago after TG did their piece on all Korean cars being rubbish (apart from the Hyundai Coupé IIRC)
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Similar reaction in Korea a couple of years ago after TG did their piece on all Korean cars being rubbish (apart from the Hyundai Coupé IIRC)
Yeessssss. Rather cunningly ignoring the (then) new Rio and choosing to review the old one instead. And the worst they could say about the (very well put together) Picanto was that it must have been cheap to build (so where does that leave Daihatsu?), and the Getz was "like a VW Polo inside" (can't say I agree with that, but still), but that it cost the same as a Polo (which it doesn't) so therefore it must be cr@p because it doesn't have the VW badge.
No problem with JC having a go, but he really should go to journalism school to learn how to get his facts straight first...
(And no, I'm not bitter about the ribbing I got over owning an Accent at work after that piece either!!).
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You never see him and Ann Widdecoombe in the same room.....
That's a totally unfair insinuation and unacceptable rumour-mongering. On the other hand... there's no smoke without fire.
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Exhibit 1: James May reviewing the Kelisa in an earlier Top Gear programme, in which he thought it was, and I paraphrase, "the true spiritual successor to the Mini".
When I saw the JC stunt I nearly spat out my cornflakes. Make your mind up guys!!
I'm not sure I've even seen a Kelisa in the flesh, so I couldn't possibly comment on its quality or otherwise, except to say that I was under the impression it was a part-for-part clone of an old Toyota design (Daihatsu Cuore?), so I'd imagine it would be rather more reliable than the old Mini....
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The Kelisa, Nippa or what ever its called, is a rather old car now. The MyVi on the other hand I would prefer to anything the European manufacturers offer in the same class.
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Would have been better for them to shut up about past embarrassments and concentrate on cars like the MYVI that are both quite good and stunning value.
HJ
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Would have been better for them to shut up about past embarrassments and concentrate on cars like the MYVI that are both quite good and stunning value.
Agreed about the MyVi, which looks on the face of it to be a really nice little car. If I was buying one new I'd spend a little bit more and buy the Sirion though, as I'd expect it to be easier to sell, but second-hand they look like an interesting prospect for a couple of years' time.
Thing is though the old Peroduas have nothing really to be embarrassed about except the age of their design IMO, and that's something you could just as easily use to bash the Saxo/106 with, yet I hear silence on that one.
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Clarkson is entertaining/provocative, has built up good knowledge of cars .. and as well as being an able presenter, happens to be able to write very well, too. Doesn't need anyone to like him.
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Clarkson is just getting to opinionated now and even Top Gear is more about jokes and stunts than it is about motoring.
If you ever watch any of the repeated episodes on sky it is interesting when they do the news bit and talk about cars coming out. Clarkson immediately gives his daft comments and then say's something completely different when he tests the car. The car that springs to mind more than many is the latest Golf GTI. When he first saw pictures he ridiculed for being heavy and bloated.
Then I think we all know what he said when he tested it.
He also tried knocking the M6 on the isle of white although he did admit he preffered it. The stunt with getting the car from 0-60 taking 3 mins. To entertain his audience he guided the hamster through the i-drive when anybody that has driven one knows you just hit the button on the steering wheel and it is all set up fpr you.
I think the point I am making is that Clarkson is getting a bit boring for me now.
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They've named a car after an iced lolly!? I must Google this and see what it looks like. Is it only available in orange, red and errrr, what's the third colour?
JH
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One here:
(What Car link removed. Better info in car by car breakdown)
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it looks ok but then so does the Sirion on which it is said to be based. But if they want to name it after a lolly, Zoom would be better.
JH
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I had a sirion at xmas good car did everything right but it was a disgrace underneath,
i had to underseal it to make it look respectable for an mot.
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And in case anyone hasn't seen what all the fuss is about
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3Rw8VW3aE
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...Lime Green see little photo up and to the left no need to Google !
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>>I must Google this and see what it looks like>>
The link was basically to a photograph of the car...:-)
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf3Rw8VW3aE
Mmmm. Condescending arrogant rich man blows up nearly new car that average man/woman might have bought. Nearly £5,000 down the drain.
So Mr. Clarkson, what was the ride like? And the performance? And the comfort? Did it do the job? What about running costs? And servicing costs? Ah, but you are so wealthy that such humble characteristics of a car are irrelevant to you.
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That's how he got rich. (He chairs a new 'Have I Got News For You' on Friday.)
HJ
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I still vividly remember having breakfast with Vauxhall PR staff the morning after JC made his infamous remark about the new Vectra on Top Gear...:-)
To say he was not the most popular person on the planet at that moment is being kind.
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That's how he got rich. (He chairs a new 'Have I Got News For You' on Friday.)
He's certainly no fool. Excellent news about HIGNFY.
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Leif,
while there is no denying that Clarkson goes too far on occasion, it was his money (or the production company's) and he can do with it as he wishes. You speak as though he denied someone the opportunity of buying a car. I'm sure there's another one that average man/woman can buy. Like it or not, JC says what a lot of people think but don't say. Maybe that's what makes him so uncomfortable at times. Along the way he has turned into a caricature, or more likely, has developed an act which he knows sells.
JH
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Wealth is a very fickle measure of one's worth. You can tell a lot about a nation that pays loud mouthed pundits (and solicitors for that matter) more than it's primary health care workers. ( not unnecessarily a dig at JC)
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You can tell a lot about a nation that pays loud mouthed pundits (and solicitors for that matter) more than it's primary health care workers.
The nature of capitalism is that giving the public what it wants creates money. Various people have said something along the lines of "You will never go broke by underestimating the intelligence of the general public".
But I think solicitors are a different case. Surely the legal system is all about creating and preserving a monopoly? Not that it does not require some study and hard work.
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You're totally right Leif. Been reading "Motorcycle Diaries" by one Ernesto Guevara, I'ts had an unexpected effect on me, may part ex the BMW for a Lada - or a Norton ! (El Ponderosa 3) !
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Leif, it was his money (or the production company's) and he can do with it as he wishes.
Well yes, but it just seems so wasteful, and extravagant just to get a not very cheap laugh. I suppose the fact that I did not find it amusing explains my viewpoint. Maybe I'm getting too old and boring.
Like it or not, JC says what a lot of people think but don't say.
Yes and oddly enough that is something I like about him. Too many people in the meeja seem to follow a London based concensus that is quite different from what most of us think. But I sometimes find his snobbery overbearing.
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Ultimately, the only real problem with what JC is saying is that it's not true.
In no way is that Perodua the worst car in the world. Ladas are still being made for starters.
It may well be the worst car on sale in the UK, but then something has to be. If the worst car is also the cheapest, then that works out nicely. If not, then some other manufacturer somewhere has some explaining to do.
And the daft thing is, in a lot of ways the Perodua isn't even the worst car in the UK. There are less reliable ones, there are less well-equipped ones, there are slower ones, there are a great many less economical ones, there are even uglier ones, and there are even worse handling ones (that silly Smart thing for instance). And all of those cost a damn sight more than the little Prodder.
In fact, I'd like to nominate that Smart as the real UK's worst car. It handles like a shopping cart with a dodgy wheel, the build is flimsy, it costs too much and appeals to the kind of people I despise, those who value image above all else.
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Watching the clip on YouTube my thought was "why ?" He'd have said a great deal more by buying the thing and giving it away to someone who needs transport to work or the like......again says a lot about our nation's values.
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Well yes, but it just seems so wasteful, and extravagant just to get a not very cheap laugh. I suppose the fact that I did not find it amusing explains my viewpoint. Maybe I'm getting too old and boring.
This is the same guy though who trashed a brand-new Astra with a tractor on the latest TG series. He reckoned it was a limited edition; regardless of whether that was true, it was an unnecessary waste of money. I like TG, but that bit prompted a similar reaction out of me at the time as expressed here now.
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Jase, if it makes you feel any better the Astra was a 53-plate current shape car, i.e., a pre-production model that was probably due for scrapping in any event.
DVLA said it was a 1.6 petrol so not some kind of prototype diesel engine at all as they said on the show - just hubris for entertainment purposes.
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"But I sometimes find his snobbery overbearing. "
Got nothing to be snobbish about comes from a humble enough background . Worked hard to get where he is (as did his parents) which is OK. Reminds me of a programme a few weeks ago about a certain actor's family tree. It was revealed to him that his Grandfather served in WW1, his instant response "Was he an Officer" he wasn;t and the actor again came from solid working class stock...........what's wrong with them ?
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At the end of the day
1/ Are we really bothered what the malaysion government thinks? When the day dawns when they are no longer
a: corrupt
b: undemocratic
c: dismissive of human rights
then we may bother to listen to them
2/ Why are Malaysian cars here? can EU cars be exported to malysia? not without cripling import taxes. they should carry the same level of import duties that they themselves impose.
3/ Are malysian cars special in any way at all? - No.
3/ Are we really othered what clarkson says or does? He is an entertainer. He either carries on entertaining or he loses his job. ONe or the other willl happen. Lets be honest he has no real sway over the buying habits of the british public so his opinion is of no consequence where it really matters.
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I love it when we start bashing foreign governments - especially when our own are so perfect and not at all corrupt, dishonest or dismissive of human rights.
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>>Should legal obstacles arise we will legislate further, including, if necessary, amending the Human Rights Act in respect of the interpretation of the European Convention on Human Rights.<<
Prime Minister Tony Blair, 5 August 2005
It seems we can have human rights if they fit what Mr Blair wants.
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not sure that the labour government have made up phoney charges of homosexuality, locked up and tortured elected members of parliament who disagreed with policy - The equivalent happened in Malaysia. Please dont even try to equate malaysia with any european country.
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I'm sure they did not - but I do recall some phoney charges made by our own government in Parliament in the not to distant past.
So be careful of pots and kettles - thats all I'm saying.
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TVM - I totally agree that we thankfully do not use torture in this country (I am not that educated on other european countries politics - but would also agree with you). And I continue to support our MP's doing a difficult job in Parliament but it does seem our own government were not that adverse to using information gained by torture until it was ruled out by the House of Lords in 2005.
>>The highest court in the land, the House of Lords, rejected the government?s contention that it could use information obtained by torture by foreign governments as evidence in UK courts. In another case, the Court of Appeal rejected the government?s claim that UK forces in Iraq were not bound by international and domestic human rights law. It also ruled that the system for investigating deaths of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of UK armed forces personnel was seriously deficient.<<
Once again I am just saying we should be totally clear on our own government policies and thanks to the House of Lords they remain sound.
Now about that Myvi
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And now back to motoring please.
DD.
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As I said DD - about that Myvi
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As I said DD - about that Myvi
Make mine a raspberry.
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