... spec also includes electric front windows, electric heated door mirrors, follow-me-home lights ...
?? what are follow-me-home lights ?
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Lights which stay on after you have locked the car to light your way to the back door.
Re this problem:
"In strong sunlight the dash vent grille reflects in the windscreen"
£25 Polarising sunglasses from Boots will sort this. Had the same problem on the Aygo which has a highly reflective dash, but the sunglasses work a treat.
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Lights which stay on after you have locked the car to light your way to the back door.
thanks davey. for a few minutes i thought they might be some latest advances in lights that you switch on for the benefit of your mates who following you along unfamiliar routes! ;-)
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Lights that stay on for 30 seconds or a minute to let you see your way to your house and find the keyhole - provided you don't reverse into your driveway, or have to park down the street.
A very informative road test, as always - thanks HJ. My only real objection to the Mondeo is the oversupply leading to faster depreciation than on, say, a VW: let's hope HJ is right in thinking that the new Mondeo will hold its value better. It sounds as if it deserves to.
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well, i think im leaning towards this over the audi - never thought i would say that!
looks better in silver and that interior with the wood is grim. Reminds me of the odd wood effect i saw when lookings at accords.
Anyone know when the dealers get demo ones? i want to see one in the flesh now.
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I agree with Michael R, while MkII was but a facelift of MkI is was nevertheless called Mk II so the 00-07 car is MkIII and the ne3w one MkIV.
Interesting test, are you sure the 2.2d will be twin turbo? The specs for the Ford/PSA 2.2 engine quote 175 BHP twin turbo and 175bhp variable vane single turbo (as well as the 150 bhp single turbo in the Freelander) I wonder if Ford might use the 175 bhp variable vane single turbo in the Mondeo etc because it will suit their approach to particulates better than the twin turbo, PSA of course use an additive.
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Lights that stay on for 30 seconds or a minute to let you see your way to your house and find the keyhole - provided you don't reverse into your driveway or have to park down the street.
The problem is you have to keep checking the lights do go off and you have
not accidentally left them on..!
A very informative road test as always - thanks HJ. My only real objection to the Mondeo is the oversupply leading to faster depreciation than on say a VW: let's hope HJ is right in thinking that the new Mondeo will hold its value better. It sounds as if it deserves to.
If list prices are more realistic and discounts lower then depreciation should not be
so severe. This is a big problem with PSA/Ford discounting policy is that
Co car drivers get taxed on the list price whilst the lease cost is not so competitive either.
My suspicion is PSA/Ford are addicted to fantasy list prices/discounting, but they must be under pressure from supermarkets/brokers etc.
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The test mentions Ghia X though current specs are Ghia or Titanium X, perhaps Ghia X is to follow?
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Lights that stay on for 30 seconds or a minute to let you see your way to your house and find the keyhole - provided you don't reverse into your driveway ....
When I activate the "follow me home" lights on my Vectra, the reverse lights also come on, so there's no problem with which way round you park the car on the driveway.
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In answer to Cheddar when I finally put it together last night some of the spec info did not tally with model designations. No one to ask at that time and better to get it uploaded than wait.
HJ
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HJ, did you see my point about the 2.2d, any conatct you can ask or have they said "twin turbo" categorically?
Thanks.
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8 year perforation warranty??? Doesn't sound too good to me? Most manufacturers offer 12 years don't they? Tut,tut Ford get your act together!!
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8 year perforation warranty??? Doesn't sound too good to me? Most manufacturers offer 12 years don't they? Tut tut Ford get your act together!!
Get your act together? Just by doing 20 second check on Honda, Renault and Hyunda they all offer only a 6 year warranty, some only do 5 years. In fairness Audi and Merc and probably a few others do a 12 year one. I can live with 8 years...
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HJ, first review I've seen and very interesting. You seem every bit as enthisiastic as when you drove the Mk II 1.8 LX back in January 2002! Where did you test it?
When the last version came out I never thought I'd be a Mondeo owner but 20k miles of easy ownership have enlightened me. Once you drive it you quickly forget the badge.
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In reply to round the bend, the date is wrong for the 2001 model Mondeo because the site does not allow anything from before 2002 to be altered without giving it a 2002 date.
HJ
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"If Audi, BMW and Mercedes owners drove it without knowing what it was, most would think it was a better car. But as soon as they found out it was a Ford, badge snobbery and the fear of massive depreciation would start getting in the way."
That's going to be the real problem. Ford make some great cars but the badge is waht's very important in this country.
I've just picked up an S-Max after having had a BMW 320d touring. The S-Max has far exceeded my expectations of it compared to the BMW.
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When we had the smax last year we were blown away by how much Ford had raised the bar in pretty much every area. My wife has been a happy Audi owner from way back and myself a recent convert but we both agreed that the smax really did tick all the boxes and is the current favorite for her A4's replacement. If the Mondeo is cut from the same cloth and HJ's roadtest looks goo then it really is going to be a thorn in the side of the exec saloons. If Ford get demo cars out to companies for long test drives targetting those in A4/3/c series and even A6/5/e class I think they'll change some preconceptions and make inroads. If the smax is anything to go by, I'd have one, though certainly without that dodgy orange wood finish.
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Well if my company car list is anything to go by - they wont be selling shedloads of company cars for a while. Minimal discount at the moment with sky high lease payments compared to old.
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Far point. I haven't seen our list for a while. If sky high is greater than A4/3/cI then yikes. If it's the same but top line and fully specced then they might well make inroads but IME the biggest hurdle is to get those punters into the car in the first place. I'm mustard keen to have a spin in this car but most of my workmates would sooner set fire to their gentles than consider a Ford. This is a mental attitude but real and fairly common. Ford need to be proactive here without going straight to discounts.
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"churning out fields of LXs for rental fleets they are concentrating on high spec cars to order"
As Ford and Hertz have a very close association and being a subsidary company in the past it will be interesting to see how they square this circle.
Hertz will still need a number of large four door cars which are churned every 10,000 miles/6 months and unless they change brand the only way to fill this demand is with the Mondeo.
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"churning out fields of LXs for rental fleets they are concentrating on high spec cars to order"
No-one is going to shell out full price on a high specced Ford of any kind to order. Its probably a very good car, an excelent car and after my recent experience in a new 5 series diesel, probably a better car.
But at the end of the day its a Ford. If I want a High spec ford built to order, it will be a jaguar or a volvo
Its all very well saying "ah yes they can swop the line around at the drop of a hat and build as as when they want" BUT its still cost gazzilions pf pounds to develop this car, and that has to be paid back in sales.
Its a doomed marketing strategy.
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I hope TVM is not saying he'd rather have an X-Type than a new Mondeo. The X-Type did not even keep pace with the updates on the previous model Mondeo. However, the next Volvo S60 will be based on the platform of the 2007 Mondeo.
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Hj -
the mistake was making the new mondeo in any shape at all. It shouldnt exist. For the marketing strategy to work it should be the new X type. NO mondeo. A new jaguar.
then the high spec build to order strategy works.
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In response to TVM's post "it should be the new X type. NO mondeo. A new jaguar".
I thought I answered that in the test. Basically, if Ford can't shift Mondeos because of badge snobbery, then it can switch production to S-Max and Galaxy (though they actually sell in much lower volume than Mondeos).
Unfortunately the X-Type turned out to be a mistake that made Jaguar into such a huge loss-maker. The idea was to have a car as profitable as the BMW 3-Series. But it didn't turn out that way.
I would guess that the new Volvo S60 will be built on the same flexible line as the Mondeo, though, so that will do the job that TVM was suggesting. (The S40 and V50 are already built on different lines at Genk.)
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Because everyone knew it was a warmed over mondeo and not a real jaguar. If there is NO mondeo, then an X type (you couldnt call it an x-type of course - thats a flawed name now) could flourish.
What I am saying is that big ford exec saloons ( and its now big) dont sell. Wont sell and will continue to loose market share to "prestige badge" big saloons that command minimal discounts. So why bother?
But hey Ford know what they are doing - thats whay they are making shed loads of money.
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I accept and truly understand that it is a very good car. I am certainly in no way a snob with cars. I have owned my present Seat Toledo since the end of 1999. It is a lovely looking car and has always been incredibly reliable ( I have now done 143,000 miles with it).
No matter how good the new Mondeo is I wouldn't get it as I really don't like the look from certain angles. I don't want to be confrontational in any way, as personal preferences with car looks are as different as chalk and cheeze with people.
I still prefer the looks of the new C Class Avantgarde, the Audi A4, BMW( I like the 5 series better than the 3 series) and I really like the new Lexus IS.
It is all a personal thing. I have a friend who loves Fords and their looks.
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8 year perforation warranty??? Doesn't sound too good to me? Most manufacturers offer 12 years don't they? Tut tut Ford get your act together!!
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This pretty irrelevant realy as anti-perforation warranties have more holes than a swiss cheese normally. Ie you have to have the car annually inspected, there must be no signs of damage or abuse to the paintwork whatsoever, damage such as stone chips have to be repaired by an authorised repairer etc etc.
How many people have succesfully claimed on such a policy even after 6 years ? And how many people do all of the things needed to realistically keep the warranty current ?
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My Mondeo is suffering from the rusting problem at the bottom of the rear doors. Awaiting body shop to get back in touch etc.
To my surprise (have to admit to not checking before) the dealer had not been stamping the paint inspection section on services - but obviously I know they stamped the service schedule.
Body shop tells me paint inspection is an extra task they are no obliged to do without asking! Get out for Ford then. In my case don't think it's an issue because repairable but had they been worse and needed replacing then Ford may have queried it. It's also a known problem on this batch of doors apparently - they were not sealed where they were made and were shipped to Genk factory where sealer was applied and trapped moisture inside.
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I can't answer that, Cheddar. Ford is keeping quiet about the 2.2 engine so there is no one I know who would tell me. I assumed twin turbo because it works so well in the 407.
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>>If the Mondeo is cut from the same cloth and HJ's roadtest looks goo then it really is going to be a thorn in the side of the exec saloons.>>
I agree though dont think that is anything new, I chose my Mondeo as a company car nearly five years ago and subsequently bought it from the company, I could have had an A4, 3 Series, 9-5 etc though the Mondeo won for spec, economy (I was doing a high private mileage) low BiK and enjoyment to drive, I have never regretted the choice. It is still at 117k miles much more refined than various friends A4 and A3 2.0d's yet alone the 1.9 I would have got in 2002, the 3 Series would have been a basic 320d and the 9-5 a 2.2TiD that was very rough in comparison. The Laguna was the only diesel car that compared for refinement and equipment at the time without paying over 25k list price and hence high BiK.
stevieb was similarly impressed in this thread:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=51...2
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TVM, why should Ford want to compete with the Series 3/A4 stuff? Surely they are right by aiming to play the Mondeo in the larger volume market and gain sales from the likes of the Laguna , Avensis, 407 and Passat.
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HJ, any talk of the Coupe version that was "concepted" a while back?
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In response to Round the Bend, a coupe wasn't mentioned and taking TVMs point further I don't see how Ford could make money out of one. The Probe and the Cougar were both failures.
HJ
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Well yes in your instance and for other individuals that's true, but I don't personally know anyone who given the choice off a list went for the Mondeo over the A4 or 3 series, on the contrary IME and from what I?ve read the A4 and 3 series have been eating into that 4 door saloon market. Our car parks and those of other local companies certainly reinforce that. There will be various reasons for such a choice, I know that for my wife, and myself in the past, it was the interior that we didn't get on with or enjoy travelling in, but for others it will be nothing but brand image and the impression, wrongly today IMO, that Ford is less of a car than the Germans. If the smax is any yardstick, then Ford have addressed my objections and I hope that this Mondeo reverses that trend because the work that Ford has put into it's recent models deserves success, though I appreciate what TVM is saying above and as such the hard work is now beginning for Ford in changing attitudes and perceptions.
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>...a coupe wasn't mentioned and...I don't see how Ford could make money out of one.
Ford launched the Focus CC thingy into the same market as the Volvo C70. (I don't know if either of those is making any money, of course.) A Mondeo coupé would be more like the old hardtop C70, I suppose - up against things like the 407 coupé and even the CLK. Nice idea, though, if only as an image builder.
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The current range of Ford's is very good and this new Mondeo looks to improve things further. Unfotunately I think that for many buyers it does not matter how good the car is - they only see the badge. It would take a decade or more to change.
The 'build to order' is a nice pipe dream, but it won't happen. They need to keep the production lines running and I bet they have loads of low-spec models stockpiled within a few months. With all their US problems the last thing they need is European factories running way below capacity.
Agree with the Jag comments. The X-type was misconceived and reliability problems from day 1 mean it has never been the success Ford hoped for. The Jag brand image has been dragged right down.
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There is no way anyone in the market for a 3 Series would even consider a Mondeo. Doesn't matter whether it's a 'better' car. It doesn't have the right badge and that's it.
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There is no way anyone in the market for a 3 Series would even consider a Mondeo. Doesn't matter whether it's a 'better' car. It doesn't have the right badge and that's it.
I was in the market for a 5 Series and I strongly considered a Mondeo. Infact at the end of the day my shortlist contained just two cars - the Mondeo ST220 and the 5 Series.
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There is no way anyone in the market for a 3 Series would even consider a Mondeo. Doesn't matter whether it's a 'better' car. It doesn't have the right badge and that's it.
After all the hassle of my 3-series (and compounded when it badly failed its first MOT despite regular servicing), I switched to a Mondeo. Not as nice to drive, not as comfortable, not as quick. But better local dealer, good enough drive, plenty of interior space and trouble free motoring so far.
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There are a number of comparisons on this thread with the A4/3 series. From the description the new Mondeo seems more akin to an A6/5 series. Makes it excellent value if you want a huge motor, but how many private buyers actually do?
Having discounted an A6 on sheer bulk I would have the same reservations about the new Mondeo. From their current line up Ford don't seem to do a Ford badged medium sized family car to compete with the A4/3 series of this world. Is this what the Volvo and Mazda models are for?
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Having seen the other sites who've "driven it first" - the non-wood trim looks pretty naff as well - perhaps they are aiming at the Far East market.
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Read the 15 day, 8500 mile road test of the new Mondeo in Autocar earlier. They seemed to think it was a very good car. When my Mondeo is due for replacement later in the year I'd consider one but two things that may change that are
(1) it's even bigger than the current one - I think 3 inches wider! Luckily I'd go for the 5 door hatch so that's only 2 inches longer
(2) what will the price be like on the company scheme - we have negotiated directly with Ford for discounts on Ford, Volvo, Jag and Land Rovers (likewise for Vauxhall cars).... time will tell.
If they reckon it's only going to be "built to order" etc. Then how come on page 82 there's a load of them lined up in a picture. They've been building these since March. Then again maybe these are all demo cars since few would buy the new car without first driving it.
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It will never be a build to order only car as Aprillia says there's no way ford can do it.
Give it 18 months there will be bargains a plenty
Wouldn't mind a second hand one but is it going to fit through the average garage door!!
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A minor point, but cruise control doesn't seem to be mentioned in any
of the standard spec levels (unless I missed it)? Surely not not an option over?
Another minus point for me - 'oversize' alloys - with any of the decent specs, the 17 inch with 225/235 wheels/tyres
just panders to the boyracer brigade - why do maufacturers persist? The cost of tyres also seems to rise
exponentially when tyre sizes increase , which together with the invariable decrease in ride comfort & proneness
to tramline, makes them as sensible as wearing Jimmy Choo high-heels to go rambling (an analogy, not my personally
of course!).
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From their current line up Ford don't seem to do a Ford badged medium sized family car to compete with the A4/3 series of this world. Is this what the Volvo and Mazda models are for?
Based on overall length the Focus is now roughly the same size as the A4/3 series.
Ford Focus Saloon 4488mm
Audi A4 Saloon 4586mm
BMW 3 Series Saloon 4520mm
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AOL cars posted a Mondeo review today:
snipurl.com/1i2gm
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According to Auto Express, cruise control standard even on the Edge model. Maybe spec varies by region/country or either HJ or Autoexpress wrong on some details.
The increase in width/length still bothers me a little... I like this car and if it handles and drives as well as the current one (although everyone says better) then I'd get one if the monthly charge is not too high. But will test drive some other cars for fun like the Vectra VXR, Focus ST-3, Focus CC-3, etc. ;-)
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The rich arrived in pairs
And also in Rolls-Royces
They talked of their affairs
In loud and strident voices
(The husbands and the wives
Ot this select society
Lead independent lives
Of infinite variety)
The poor arrived in Fords
Whose features they resembled.
They laughed to see so many lords
And ladies all assembled.
The people in between
Looked underdone and harrassed
And out of place and mean
And horribly embarrassed.
Sorry if the rest of you all know Belloc's verses by heart too. Just thought this one was apposite, as a poster above said that after 20,000 miles of trouble-free Mondeo motoring he found it easy to 'forget the badge'. Honestly, some people!
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"a poster above said that after 20,000 miles of trouble-free Mondeo motoring he found it easy to 'forget the badge'. Honestly, some people!"
That was me. Still going to buy that clapped out Beamer then Lud?
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No. May get a Skoda though. Keep you posted.
And it wasn't clapped out, just rough and maladjusted. Looked as if it might be troublesome and expensive. Ran very well though. But I didn't like it.
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In response to rtj70 the specs are a bit confused between what will be European spec and what will be UK spec. I can't find anything saying cruise is standard (it might be). Adaptive cruise control with radar to stop you bumping into the car in front is optional at an extra cost of £1,000.
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"In response to rtj70 the specs are a bit confused between what will be European spec and what will be UK spec"
That is what I had assumed. Interestingly, I thought I'd check out the German Ford "configurator" for the car and compare to the UK. Over here models seem to be Edge, Zetec, Ghia and Titanium X. In Germany the models are Ambiente, Trend, Ghia, Ghia X, Titanium and Titanium X.
There are also far more options even on the Titanium X listed and the default choice of model is the estate instead of hatchback.
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I think the Mondeo in the UK will have cruise control as standard. I happen to have the preview brochure for the car (it's downloadable as well tinyurl.com/2q3te2 ) and the base Edge model says "Cruise control". So unless there has been a change to spec since the brochure was printed normal cruise control is on all models with the radar one being extra.
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he found it easy to 'forget the badge'. Honestly some people!
I see I didn't really make myself clear. What I mean is, wear your Ford badge with pride.
If it was a Shelby Cobra or customised and tweaked flathead V8 '32 coupe street rod you wouldn't feel ashamed of it would you? Why are people so blinded by image and so blind to function?
I find it absurd that I should be suspected of badge snobbery when I try to work out if an ancient 5 series BMW will be a viable station car. But I am not bothered by it any more than I was bothered by small boys and Jasper Carrott fans poking fun at my Skoda Estelle.
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Sorry if the rest of you all know Belloc's verses by heart too. Just thought this one was apposite as a poster above said that after 20 000 miles of trouble-free Mondeo motoring he found it easy to 'forget the badge'. Honestly some people!
I have a 10 year old Merc E320 60 thou from new and goes like stink. Also returns 29.5 mpg on a rapid run over a couple of hundred miles. It is nice and makes me smile and it cost me 3 grand. My mate has a 7 year old mondeo Ghia 2 litre. It is plenty quick enough for our carp roads and traffic systems. It is better equipped. It is a better car and I tell him so. I would have one tomorrow.
vbr....................MD
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The current range of Ford's is very good and this new Mondeo looks to improve things further. Unfotunately I think that for many buyers it does not matter how good the car is - they only see the badge. It would take a decade or more to change.
I agree. Add Gordon's decimation of the fleet market and I have to wonder who is going to buy it in anything like the quantities Ford need them to. Car allowance users will continue to lease poverty spec Mercs and BMW's instead. Shame as it looks an absolute corker. Bet it'll drive well too.
Cheers
DP
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As good as it is, depreciation on this new Mondeo would worry me even more.
The current Mondeo is larger than a lot of private used buyers really want. With the new one being even bigger a lot of nearly-new and used buyers might shy away from it in favour of a Focus - used demand for the new Mondeo could be even weaker than for the current one.
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Good, that means I may be able to get a second hand one more easily then! :-)
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"The Probe and the Cougar were both failures."
I have it on good authority that a brown Probe is the favoured car of proctologists.
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Congrats to Ford then for producing yet another decent car, however it's not going to get me out of my Passat.
What would my neighbours think?
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What about if Ford took a leaf out of Skodas advertising efforts if they think that it will have a image problem.
Like yes it's a Ford!! in the back window.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeWWuKaLB-4&mode=related&s...=
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Congrats to Ford then for producing yet another decent car however it's not going to get me out of my Passat. What would my neighbours think?
That you have seen sense, that you have developed some taste ;-)
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>>Like yes it's a Ford!! in the back window.
Saloons are BACK!! People carriers and Audis are for girls!!!
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HJ's observations were based on 5-door Mondeos - that's what's in the pictures anyway. Will this help to demolish the old marketing myth that saloons offer 'refinement' or 'prestige' that hatchbacks can't match? I have a saloon car now, of a type to which there is no hatchback equivalent, but I've driven a great many hatchbacks too, and I can't say I've ever found myself thinking "I wish I were in a saloon instead - it would be so much more refined." I chose my car despite its impractical rear end, not because of it. Are there really still buyers who regard a hatchback as infra dig.?
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Will, I agree 100% with you about saloons vs hatchbacks. That is why I think that these "lifestyle" estate versions of the 3 series class (inc Audi, MB etc) became so popular. I had a BMW 3 e36 saloon and thought it so unpractical I would be hard pushed to convince myself to buy another saloon. Small estate even more practical than hatchback.
I currently have a BMW 5 e39 and when/if this comes to an end in the next few years, I might well look at a Mondeo Estate. I had been eyeing up an S-Max but if they do a 200bhp+ diesel, which a 2.2 twin turbo (if this is the case!!!) might well achieve, this would be perfect.
I really do think that Ford and Mercedes have got their design going really well at the moment.
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i prefer saloons to hatchbacks purely because they feel a taughter car and are usually a lot quieter,
however
they are impractical once you come to sell them to the man and wife and 2.2 children who go to diy stores etc
therefore unless they have a posh badge on the front they are dead in the water
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Downside to the new Mondeo saloon in my opinion... it's even longer than the estate! Which in turn is longer than the saloon (always was).
In fact if the dimensions in the review a correct then it's only 12mm shorter than an MB E Class saloon and is actually wider. The E-Class is 4856mm long and the saloon version of the new Mondeo is 4844mm. The 3 Series BMW is only 4520mm long.
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i prefer saloons to hatchbacks purely because they feel a taughter car and are usually a lot quieter
They don't know about torsional stiffness and can't feel the difference bb. And they can't hear the difference either.
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i prefer saloons to hatchbacks purely because they feel a taughter car and are usually a lot quieter
Personally I cant understand why most people ever buy a saloon. That is unless you never really ever do any DIY or go on any trips where serious luggage is required. Okay a lot of Mondeo sized saloons have a huge looking boot, but in terms of usefull and outsize load carrying ability they arre still not that practical. The current Mondeo in hatchback from is a superb car in this respect. But sadly in the quality german marques some marketing guru as decreed that hatchbacks are downwarket and you can only have a saloon or an estate.
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In response to WillDeBeest, the first (Tango red) 2.5T driven was a hatchback and turned out to be a misbuild with comfort suspension and sports wheels (these were pre-production cars). The second 2.5T (pic not shown) was a Ghia saloon on standard suspension. The last was a 2.0TDCI Titanium estate with Adaptive suspension.
Yes, it is correct that the saloon is longer than the estate, which in turn is longer than the hatch. To my eye the estate is the best looking of the three.
HJ
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Thanks HJ. And was there a perceptible difference in refinement or tautness with the saloon? I suspect a lot of the comments above are based on comparisons between, say, a BMW saloon and a Cavalier hatch, rather than a true like-with-like. Or, to put it another way, is there any reason you can see why a buyer might choose a Mondeo saloon over the hatch? (Possibly seats-up luggage capacity, given the extra length, but could you fit a bike or a TV set in there?)
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"Possibly seats-up luggage capacity, given the extra length, but could you fit a bike or a TV set in there?)"
Are you refering to saloon or hatchback? I got a 32" CRT TV in the box in the current Mondeo (seats down of course) and similarly can fit in a mountain bike.
Then again I got a sofa in a Passat saloon to take it to the tip.... well not in one piece mind ;-)
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In response to WillDeBeest, the hatchback was the misbuild with soft suspension, the saloon had standard suspension and the estate had adaptable suspension. On Comfort setting the estate behaved like the misbuilt hatchback, on Normal it was similar but not quite as good as the saloon, on Sport it handled really well. Ford doesn't expect to sell more than 4% saloons in the UK, but builds them because they take a much higher percentage of the market in mainland Europe. The longer boot of the saloon might take a bike. Brilliant for golf clubs, of course. (If you play golf.)
HJ
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Congrats to Ford then for producing yet another decent car however it's not going to get me out of my Passat. What would my neighbours think?
Probably the same as they do now!
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