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I notice that in the specification you get the "Non-smoker package (Free)". Now, call me a cynic, but does that just mean they haven't put an ashtray in and are trying to make people feel good about it?
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Audi has the same option. You get a sprung hinge lid over the 12v socket rather than a ligher and the ashtray is removed to provide a much more useful storage bin underneath the heater controls. From speaking to my local Audi dealer the majority of cars he sells have this option ticked. TBH most smokers flick ash out of the window anyway!
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Even in the humble mk1 Focus you had to pay extra for a fag lighter and ashtray. Otherwise you got a "12v Power Outlet" (with a pull off cover that disappeared forever into the bowels of the seat mechanism the first time you dropped it) and a felt lined stowage tray.
Cheers
DP
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Been the same with Beemers for aeons. My last three had a Smokers kit fitted, it was a drop in insert in the ash tray and a lighter with a similar thing in the back.
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I guess that from 1st July smokers kits will become illegal in company cars because they become classified as workplaces. So later down the line when company cars get sold off to the public, private buyers are going have to start applying nicotine patches, or flicking their ash and (heaven forbid) their unstubbed fag ends out of the windows with the inevitable conflagatory consequences.
HJ
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I guess that from 1st July smokers kits will become illegal in company cars because they become classified as workplaces. >>
HJ, I am 100% against smoking in cars at any time however as the law stands it will still be a company car driver's prerogative to be able to smoke in the car when being used for private travel.
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HJ I am 100% against smoking in cars at any time however as the law stands it will still be a company car driver's prerogative to be able to smoke in the car when being used for private travel.
No it wont.
If your company car is used AT ANY TIME (even if its only once) to take co workers or customers
it becomes a workplace. As such you are not allowed to smoke in workplace at ANY time.
The Altea i have ordered has no smokers pack. No ash try, no fag lighter, Not even an option to be ordered new. You can buy as an accessory afterwards a lidded plastic tub to stick in the drinks holder (the ashtray) but no fag lighter.
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If your company car is used AT ANY TIME (even if its only once) to take co workers or customers it becomes a workplace. As such you are not allowed to smoke in workplace at ANY time.
This is a fine example of a rule absolutely begging to be ignored. What incredible, interfering, ridiculous, bullying twaddle.
If I am ever seen driving a car that might be a company car, and if I have taken up smoking again, and if an officer of the law stops me and asks me whether it's a company car, I will snigger in his face and tell him to find out for himself if he gives a damn.
Can't see any of it ever happening though.
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They have jam buttie police in knotty ash
woe betide any likkle fella that eats and drives there
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"officer of the law "
I don't think the Police would give a flying fag whether you did that or not Lud. It'll be some person from the Local Authority that will be imposing the "penalty".
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I don't think the Police would give a flying fag
I don't think so either. I was using 'officers of the law' in the widest sense, not just plod at his best and worst but Lovely Rita and all her avatars, chaps behind hidden cameras in Soho streets who are apparently allowed to send you parking tickets by post after the event, load of goddam carp, and whoever it is who is supposed to enforce all this stuff.
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No it wont. If your company car is used AT ANY TIME (even if its only once) to take co workers or customers it becomes a workplace. As such you are not allowed to smoke in workplace at ANY time.
I am not sure about that TVM, the co car driver pays BiK so it is effectively his to use as he wishes, the company could ban smoking from the car within his contract however I cannot see how a law can apply to a car that is owned by a company and driven by an employee who pays for BiK to use it and is driving it in his own time though does not apply to a private car. I think it is a matter of establishing when it begins and ends being a workplace, I guess that would be when the driver starts and finishes work.
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Sorry Cheddar but no - if it's a work 'perk' even with BIK paid by an employee it's company property - no smoking at any time - just like smoking in my office is not permitted by me if I visit whilst on leave - I'm not working, but I am in an enclosed space and not permitted to smoke.
If it's a privately financed vehicle with mileage paid when on company business, smoking is permitted at any time when the vehicle is not being used for company business. If the privately financed vehicle is a cabrio and the roof is down when on company business smoking is permitted!
Like any law it's down to those who enforce it to do just that and the chances of being pulled are pretty slim, but you only need a disgruntled employee to bring it up in a tribunal and the employer will be the one having to defend the illegal actions of employees.
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Add to the "workplace dilema" the car is not actually owned by my company but by the leasing company. It appears that most new leases have a "no smoking" clause.
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Sorry Cheddar but no ..
do is see a mega 300 plus posts thread starting up here ?
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yup we do it just so you can link to it lots of times later.
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"but you only need a disgruntled employee to bring it up in a tribunal and the employer will be the one having to defend the illegal actions of employees."
That's the bottom line, the Police are unlikely to want to get involved in this, I doubt, even in Aprillia's Conservative Utopian LA area ;-), that the County Enforcers will set up road blacks, if they did, I would take up smoking to spite them.
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Sorry Cheddar but no - if it's a work 'perk' even with BIK paid by an employee it's company property - no smoking at any time - >>
I dont actually give a toss about smoking, filthy habit, though I can put up with smokers in pubs and even restaurants though not cars, cant stand beeing is car with a smoker.
However I wonder if you are interpreting the rules to literally, for instance if someone runs their home as a B&B during the summer they are surely allowed to smoke in their lounge on a winter evening when it's use is purely private.
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yup we do it just so you can link to it lots of times later.
tvm - getting under your skin is so easy.
However I wonder if you are interpreting the rules to literally, for instance if someone runs >> there home as a B&B ...
cheddar - see
" 3 Exemptions "
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills...3
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>> yup we do it just so you can link to it lots of times later. tvm - getting under your skin is so easy.
Now you come to mention it, you do remind me of a leech.
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flicking their ash and (heaven forbid) their unstubbed fag ends out of the windows with the inevitable conflagatory consequences. HJ
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Many of them do that already, together with the empty packets, of course.
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I notice that in the specification you get the "Non-smoker package (Free)". Now call me a cynic but does that just mean they haven't put an ashtray in and are trying to make people feel good about it?
You can also have no badges without paying them more too.
I expect if you asked nicely they'd let you have no car at all without being charged any extra.
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I'm not surprised that lease co's put no-smoking clauses in their leases, it lowers the value of their cars (not just the fag burns, but the smell). I once bought (at auction) a rather nice 5-series. Opened the thing up and was knocked out by the smell of stale fags. It had been driven by a chain-smoking sales rep for Siemens. That really took some valeting, I can tell you. Used a few cans of 'nice pong' on it. Funny thing is that even the die hard smokers don't want to buy a car that smells of stale fag smoke.
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I once bought(at auction) a rather nice 5-series. Opened the thing up and was knocked out bythe smell of stale fags. It had been driven by a chain-smoking sales rep for Siemens. That really took some valeting I can tell you. Used a few cans of 'nice pong' on it.
just being nosey, did you have to clean the head lining and if so with what?
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...It had been driven by a chain-smoking sales rep for Siemens. ..
must make a note: "do not buy cars driven by sales reps for siemens "
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I used to be a sales rep for Siemens, we had 1.6 cortinas but they were GL's, how times have changed!!!
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>I used to be a sales rep for Siemens...
You weren't based in Middlesex, were you? A former colleague of mine was, and he told me of a new switchboard operator who had to be trained not to answer the phone, "Good morning, Siemens Staines."
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>I used to be a sales rep for Siemens... You weren't based in Middlesex were you? A former colleague of mine was and he told me of a new switchboard operator who had to be trained not to answer the phone "Good morning Siemens Staines."
I much prefer the story of the US computer company "Wang"
The american parent decided that the service arm would be called "Wang care"
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In the early days of Asian industrial development a Mr Wong started a firm making coils and windings.
No one could ever work out why British business contacts sniggered when they saw the firm's central advertising slogan: 'Wound the Wong way'.
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i can see the day when the boys in blue will be pulling people over and giving them a co (carbon monoxide) breath test to see if theyve been fag/driving
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Interesting thread.
My father's Daihatsu has a multitude of cup holders, and one of them has a hinge-top ashtray in it. Came free with the car.
Off on a tangent, there are new laws afoot on this side prohibiting smoking in cars when there are kids under-16 in the car with you.
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