So far we have established that Pica fancies neither Jo Brand, nor John Sargeant, and that's understandable, but have we got any further?
HJ
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poor show from where I stood. Just a load of ""oooh never realised my 4x4 polluted so much, or was so dangerous for pedestrians".. Nothing to learn from it....... Rubbish.
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poor show from where I stood. Just a load of ""oooh never realised my 4x4 polluted so much or was so dangerous for pedestrians".. Nothing to learn from it....... Rubbish.
And there's always the obligatory mouthy so and so who's got too much to say for herself!
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Sorry HJ I just could not believe how similar they looked. :)
The programme made me think that perhaps it would be a good idea to get into a larger car as being selfish about it my family and I would be 9 times safer in one if we got hit compared with a small car. These cars are obviously very popular and have an attraction not available in smaller buzz boxes otherwise people would not buy them. One of my friends has just bought a new Audi Q7 and it is very big but absolutely beautiful.
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We made a decision (based on economics) to ditch a Disco which SWMBO used and had other (genuine) 4wd uses around where we live. She bought a MINI and I bought a very second hand Landie with the change. SO we both watched with interest.
Using 4WDs in towns is an odd evolution of the genre, I know a guy who lives in a town and drives 3/4 of a mile to work in his diesel Disco, which I think is a bit potty to say the least. That silver Disco looked at home in that quarry, doing what Landie's do best !
The programme was quite eccentric really, JS has some wide credibility from his former life and the programme was made from the angle as his point of view which was totally clear. Was it my telly or did most people in it seem a little "crazed" (with the exception of the 4WD instructor guy) ?
What the hell was that big black 4WD thing with the blue neon lights. The owner clearly had some exhaust fetish which was almost sexual in nature (he was almost gynaecologist like with the exhaust of that Yaris which was scarey), that wheel grinding episode was a nice bit of Karma.
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These cars are obviously very popular and have an attraction not available in smaller buzz boxes
Because otherwise people wouldn't realise just how much CA$H you have...and that, would never do.
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Especially the blinged up ones, saw an otherwise immaculate Series 2 Discovery today on some wheels which would have Maurice Wilks spinning in neutral in his grave. I hate the current image that LR are cultivating with the premium models.
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The RR Sport tickles my what are you thinking?' bone...
What next, the Scania GTI?
Edited by Webmaster on 26/10/2007 at 01:46
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What next the Scania GTI?
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Two axles is so last century.
What is that anyway, a 6 x 4? What a load of carpentry.
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I'm not sure I caught the jist of what the woman in the programme was saying.
Is she really driving her kids into school in London each day, from Kent, a 2 hour round trip given the traffic?
Is it just me, or is that completely insane?
If that is the case, it's not a very good way of dispelling the old myth that 4x4 drivers care about no-one but themselves, is it?
The three people featured had pathetic reasoning for the ownership of the vehicle. At least the bling guy was honest about it -- he likes big cars, that's fair enough.
But buying a 4x4 because of potholes in the road? What?!?
I've heard worse excuses though -- my particular favourite was a work colleague who had 2 children, and wanted to buy a 7-seater Chrysler Grand Voyager because he might occasionally want to take the kids and their friends out to a picnic or something. And for that he was prepared to take the GV out as his works car.
Some people need their heads reading.
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I think that the unscripted abuse hurled at that johnny with the flat cap early on in the programme was the best bit.
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Totally agree, on days when I need cheering up, I just look at prople in these monsters and feel smug in the knowledge that I am not paying the fuel and running costs they are !
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According to a fellow I know who specialises in used 4x4's, the secondhand market is rapidly drying up. He has about 15 'proper' 4x4's in stock and they're all on their way to becoming 100-day cars.
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I thought he presented it fairly well and made a change from the usual motoring journos.
That guy in the blinged up thing was a sad case though.
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What's a '100-day car'?
Common dealer's terminology in my part of the world (and probably other parts of the country too) - means its been on the plot for 100 days and becoming a bit of fixture. Lot of dealers will shift a motor on through auction after 80, 90, 100 days or whatever their 'benchmark' is. Either that, or it become 'special of the week - for a limited period only' LOL!
Big dealer groups also use 'time to turn' as a benchmark - i.e. they look at say, all the Mondeo's they have in stock and work out what the average time to turn is for that car, this helps spot market trends and helps with stock buying etc. I think time to turn on big 4x4's has lengthened recently!
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Thanks for that. The BR has broadened my knowledge base yet again.
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PS: At least British dealers are realistic. I've seen cars on French forecourts for more than two years! It seems that, in general, market practices in France are so regulated and uncompetitive the dealers just don't want to deal.
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A car the dealer has had in stock for 100 days +
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It seemed perfectly reasonable programme if taken as a 'pub' argument/discussion type of thing. But
the idea promulgated was that the people who chose to drive (imho) these monstrosities
were somehow bad or selfish - what a daft point of view, and absolutely no business
of JS if they do(did?). If these vehicles are for sale & the gubmint sees fit to endorse their sale
(as they have type approval & pass the requisite tests for passenger vehicles, including their CO2
outputs) why on earth make a programme effectivley vilifying their users?
Why doesn't JS lobby the gubmint (..and I would think a man of his background & connections would be
ideally placed) to 'outlaw' their sale - much better to cut off the source.
On the purely technical aspect of CO2 output, why did he focus so heavily on the on the '4x4' aspect - many
other vehicles produce much more CO2 per Km , including quite humble saloons. The '4x4' moniker has just become a lazy
& inaccurate shorthand for 'badly polluting vehicles'.
The driving 'test' I could see no relevance for - it's not the size of a vehicle , but the competence
of the driver - those 'fail' points he identified would probably occur whatever they were driving.
The section, where the young woman was encouraged to imagine her young child
being mown down was a red herring - using that logic all commercial vehicles bigger than a ford escort
van would have to be banned too.
Let people spend their money the way they want to (legalities prevailing) & focus more on why most people
are forced to drive so much to able to lead a reasonably civilised life.
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Just as a matter of interest - what would a civic look like if T-boned by, say, a M reg Volvo at 60 mph? Or any other large estate car which was considered preferable to a 4x4?
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Just as a matter of interest - what would a civic look like if T-boned by say a M reg Volvo at 60 mph? Or any other large estate car which was considered preferable to a 4x4?
What would the Civic look like if it were hit by another Civic?
Everyone knows that the side impact protection on the majority of cars cars 10 years ago wasn't up to much. It's more a question of how smeared the bodies inside would be, rather than if they would survive.
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. It's more a question of how smeared the bodies insidewould be rather than if they would survive.
I can remember people in West Africa casually smearing mouse-sized cockroaches with their bare feet, something I would be reluctant to do myself.
Seemed a propos somehow.
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