hi
just a quick question
is it ok to use Millers Diesel Power Sport 4 in a new shape focus 2.0 tdci 134 bhp.
not looking for a performance boost. just for the lubrication benefits
thanks
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In the Engine Oil section of "Capacities and specifications" in the Owner's Guide for my 2003 Focus it says "Do not use supplemental additives or other engine treatments. They are unnecessary and could lead to engine damage which is not covered by the Ford Warranty."
Check the Owner's Guide for your car.
Edited by L'escargot on 19/12/2008 at 07:51
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In the Engine Oil section of "Capacities and specifications" in the Owner's Guide for my 2003 Focus it says "Do not use supplemental additives or other engine treatments. They are unnecessary and could lead to engine damage which is not covered by the Ford Warranty."
"In the engine oil section"...... we're talking about a fuel additive not oil additive.
I agree that engine oil should not be meddled with as the oil manufacturers have used a team of chemical engineers to create it in the first place.
But the low sulphur fuels we have now, due to the environmental demands i.e. emissions control etc, have less lubricity and adding a lubricant can only be good for the engine albeit maybe not so good for the emissions (how long before government legislation stops us using fuel additives, one might ask ?).
I use Millers all the time at the recommended dosage in my Mondeo TDCi and it certainly makes the engine smoother and quieter, although I can't say it makes any noticable difference to consumption.
Edited by kith on 18/01/2009 at 14:27
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In the Engine Oil section of "Capacities and specifications" in the Owner's Guide for my 2003 Focus it says "Do not use supplemental additives or other engine treatments. They are unnecessary and could lead to engine damage which is not covered by the Ford Warranty." Check the Owner's Guide for your car.
I think that's a bit patronising and unnecessary, L'Escargot. It reads to me more like a bit of Ford legalese than anything particularly thought through by a Ford engineer.
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I use forte diesel conditioner in my x-type 2.0d every 5k or so. Diesel specialist i use for servicing swears by it. I use it as preventative maintenence and am sure you can feel the difference after. Others may disagree......
Forte is far more expensive that millers at £10 or so a bottle.
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All the owners handbooks say do not use additive (my tdi octavia book for example) but then the main dealers use it at service and charge a hefty price for something costing them a couple of quid.
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The use of Millers and other fuel additives does seem to cause some passioned arguments here.
Those who don't use sometimes ridicule or tease those who do use, snake oil and other terms come up quite regularly.
For what its worth i use DPS4 on my euro4 diesel as its meant for those engines, and i have used the previous Millers diesel power plus on my older generation diesels for years.
I believe that the Millers DPS4 is worth using constantly, if i'm wrong its only me that's going to pay the price, so far the engine runs sweetly with no smoke whatsoever.
If the Millers doesn't keep my fuel system in top shape, aided and abetted by good servicing, i shall be the first to post on here that i was wrong, and there will be most of a 5 litre can going begging..;)
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Been a Millers fan since buying my first diesel in 1993. Used their diesel-specific oils, and their fuel additive.
Never had any problems until my first common-rail (a PSA 2.0 HDi). However, failure of the pump on that was a known manufacturing issue, and quite common.
Where Diesel Clean / Diesel Power really works, in my opinion, is in keeping injector nozzles clean. I have never required a replacement injector, and this includes vehicles that have reached 165K miles before selling them on.
I will continue to use it, until such times as the growing range of problems associated with the latest generation of diesels (pump / EGR/ DMF failure) drives me back to petrol.
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I agree completely with all the points "drivewell" made although you forgot to add DPF to that little list.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 18/01/2009 at 12:41
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I can't find anywhere on their website where it says anything about lubrication benefits, only on the old stuff for use in pre-dpf engines. If it doesn't, then I'm not sure what it brings to the party.
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I am in the drivewell camp on this one. I use it as I think it raises the quality of the fuel to something near to Optimax/Ultimate for less p per litre than the difference in the pump price. I think it imroves lubricity and helps pump life. Also I have driven 15K miles since I misfuelled my common rail diesel with about 6 litres of petrol; topped up with diesel and a triple dose of Millers and am still on the road. Luck, Millers, who can tell?
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I reckon my Focus TDCi runs better with a slug or two of Millers.
Haven't noticed any improvements in fuel consumption.
The old bus has done 80k now, so no warranty issues.
Not sure what I will do when/if I buy a new one.
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I always used Millers in my cars, but since i got my Volvo D5 and it states " don't use additive" i don't anymore. I was also under the impression that the 2.5% bio thats now in diesel acts as a lubricant, or am i misinformed about this?
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It is an ongoing problem. SFAIK Government policy is to have 5% bio in diesel at some point in the future yet dicussion in the BR seems to suggest that some manufacturers say NO to any biodiesel in the fuel. So Long as the fuel used meets the appropriate BS there shouldn't be an issue but don't bet on it!
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