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Does ANPR only pick up uninsured cars , or also those not MOT'd and / or taxed ?
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I'm sure it's all 3
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I'm sure it's all 3
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Dependent on database accuracy.
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Hey, motorprop, ANPR can detect if you are wearing the wrong brand of aftershave!
Seriously, though, the system is linked to the DVLA database that knows if the vehicle is taxed or MOTed as well as whether insure or not.
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what about the overhead gantries - do they pick up and follow up on No MOT or tax ?
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Don't know.
Just get an MOT and pay tax like the rest of us, then you won't have to worry.
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well, when driving to a pre-arranged MOT whilst untaxed but insured , I passed under a phalanx of red - eye cameras pointing ominously at every lane of the North Circ... the system doesn't know about the pre-booked MOT , doctorchris ? That was about 6 weeks ago and I've heard nothing - hence the question.
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Not all cameras are part of ANPR - yet. If your car passed and was insured and taxed you would have been fine anyway.
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Hey, sorry to offend.
If you've heard nothing after 6 weeks then you should be OK.
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They alert a central control room that then looks to see if they have a mobile police officer in the immediate vicinity to find and stop the car in question. A lot easier in some areas due to the massive CCTV infrastructure.
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A lot of police cars also hae ANPR cameras too. So can detect uninsured, untaxed and possibly no MOT just be driving around. Every now and again some areas (e.g. Manchester) setup ANPR traps. I saw one at the weekend on the A34 as it crosses the M60 - sure it was ANPR as if a speed camera they would not need the chase bikes.
Some normal CCTV on motorways etc also do ANPR now too... why do you ask?
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The intent of this thread was discussions about ANPR. I've split the discussion relating to a specific incident this weekend into a new thread which can be found here www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=72...4. I don't think I have lost any posts in the process, but if I have please accept my apologies.
Edited by smokie on 15/02/2009 at 23:12
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"Heavy Handed ANPR" is not a new thread. It is the original thread restored, rather than submerged into a general ANPR thread. I have to accept moderators decisions, just like any Backroomer, and accepted the decision to submerge it as well as this one to restore it.
HJ
Edited by Honestjohn on 16/02/2009 at 07:17
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" I have to accept moderators decisions, just like any Backroomer, and accepted"
Dang, HJ... !
I always imagined you as Blofeld with a white cat on your knee and levers to pull which could send us all (mods included) down a chute into the gaping mouth of a Great White..
;-)
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I have to accept moderators decisions, just like any Backroomer, and accepted the decision to submerge it as well as this one to restore it.
What about this new one to whisk quite a lot of it selectively out of sight HJ?
Of course no one could call it heavy-handed but....
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I don't think anything has been lost has it? By design, I'm managing the ANPR threads at the moment. I split out the voluminous amount of posts re the "HJ incident" to allow this thread to remain a Discussion thread - it had become overburdened (we'd call it hijack elsewhere) with one ANPR instance which was entirely deserving of a thread in it's own right, and didn't belong in a general discussion thread.
I also moved a further load of more general ANPR discussion from the bottom of that thread back into this thread around lunchtime today. The Heavy Handed thread is still here www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=72...4, as I indicated above.
Messing with threads takes some time here, and there is significant risk of loss of some posts, so I hid this and the new thread while they were being worked on.
I think you'll find that the Heavy handed ANPR thread contains all the original posts related to that topic. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - however, due to the nature of the way the software works, if posts have been lost they cannot be recovered.
Edited by smokie on 16/02/2009 at 14:54
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Sorry smokie, I thought the heavy handed thread had disappeared. All that has happened is that you have moved my post, which was specifically placed in that thread, to this one. Makes me look a bit barmy and inconsequential, but who cares?
:o}
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Ahh OK, I see. Thought I'd been quite careful where I snipped but missed yours. It isn't easy to correct unfortunately.
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.. allow this thread to remain a Discussion thread - it had become overburdened (we'd call it hijack elsewhere) with one ANPR ... >>
It wasn't hijacked. But nice to see a moderator [Pologirl] being moderated for having "mis-policed" a thread! "police" was the verb used by HJ
Notice the timeline:
Original Thread by HJ
Heavy Handed ANPR - Honestjohn Sat 14 Feb 09 11:17
Heavy Handed ANPR - PoloGirl Sat 14 Feb 09 11:49
" ... off to create an ANPR thread for all these sorts of things though... "
New Thread created by Pologirl:
ANPR discussions - PoloGirl Sat 14 Feb 09 11:53
ANPR discussions - Honestjohn Sat 14 Feb 09 20:14
"The thread was accurately headed, "Heavy Handed ANPR", before it was policed by one of out moderators. ... "
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Looked like it had gone away from it's original intention to me. Hence the unilateral decision to tidy it.
Glad it's been so popular, and that you've been able to make some (rather obscure) mileage from it jbif ;-)
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Glad it's been so popular, and that you've been able to make some (rather obscure) mileage from it jbif ;-) >>
Worth triple the points when it elicits a female doggy comment from you.
Edited by jbif on 16/02/2009 at 15:29
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I make no apologies for saying this again.
ANPR doe NOT find drivers with no insurance, MOT, RFL. It finds vehicles that do NOT show up on a data base as not having had those details recorded.
The system is only as good as the data base. Blind reliance on a computer server somewhere in the UK is not effective policing.' Computer says No " is funny on Little Britain, it is not funny when your car is confiscated and you are left trying to recover your costs because some one didn't punch the correct information in to a keyboard.
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Would it be possible to find out how many vehicles have been seized in error through database errors, computer says no, or common sense failures. I dont know if freedom of information legislation covers this type of information, and would it require a request to each police authority?
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Difficult.
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/20080515
This says it would cost too much to tell you. Perhaps if the question was couched with appropriate wording a different result would be had. I wouldn't bank on it.
From the same document:
3- How many members of the public were left at the roadside after vehicles had been seized?
South Yorkshire Police do not recorded this information
4- How many members of the public left at the road side were children or vulnerable adults?
As above, South Yorkshire Police do not record this information.
5- What risk assessments were carried out in relation to practice of leaving members of the public at the roadside?
6- What were the risk assessors' conclusions and recommendations and may I have a copy?
7- Do South Yorkshire Police have a policy giving officers guidance regarding leaving members of the public at the roadside after vehicles have been seized? If so, may I have a copy?
A generic Risk Assessment is made at the time by the officer(s) in line with their training and professional experience which may or may not be recorded in their individual pocket note books.
I hope the information we provided is of help to your enquiries and I would like to thank you for your interest in South Yorkshire Police.
Edited by FotheringtonThomas on 16/02/2009 at 13:32
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In other words no chance.
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Hi, everyone I posted this link to a very interesting factsheet covering the issues with automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras to another thread and I thought you might also be interested. ANPR is not all it is cracked up to be and this interesting factsheet clearly highlights the problems with over reliance on databases for law enforcement:
http://manchester.no2id.net/content/automatic-number-plate-recognition-anpr-factsheet
Edited by Database Man on 11/08/2011 at 22:22
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Database Man, you've posted this link on three threads now. Thank you, but in the words of Mr Bennet you have delighted us enough. No more please.
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