Most cars - Instrument dials - Jonnor

Why do virtually all manufacturers use black instrument dials which can be almost unreadable while driving in poor light. Ok, you can put the lights on to illuminate the dials, but it would be much better if they used white dials with black numerals and pointers. And no, I'm not partially sighted.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Andy P

Safety measure - if it's too dark to read the instruments then you should have your lights on.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Bilboman

It seems to me more like an ANTI safety measure: I've lost count of the number of new cars with instrument lights permanently on; result - drivers blithely tootling along in poor light without switching lights on as the panel lights give a false glow of security. Citroën started this with the CX IIRC and now almost every manufacturer has gone down the same road.

Most cars - Instrument dials - NARU

I much prefer the lit speedos. I always struggled to read the km/h markings on previous cars (usually orange on a black background).

Edited by Marlot on 07/06/2010 at 08:38

Most cars - Instrument dials - Cliff Pope

Fashion. Old cars always had a nice creamy/off-white face with black or dark brown needle, tapered with a point on the end like a clock hand. Black is supposed to look modern and high-tec and computerised and therefore better.

Retro-look cars sometimes have old-style dials.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Paul G1pdc

HI.

years ago I used to own a ford escort 1.8si, the model came as standard with white dials as you can imagine it was great during the daylight but at night the green glow from the back lit dials would almost light up the whole car...i would often put a duster on dash...not the speedo part just to reduce the glare...(the car didn't have a dash dimmer control)

our old (phase 1), volvo v40 has nice clear dials, but the updated (phase 2) v40 has more numbers written on the dials making them less clear...for example the phase1 speedo went to 140mph...the phase 2 went to 160mph....for crying out loud a "1.8sport" will only reach 160mph off a very high cliff.....so as you can imagine the 0-70 part of the speedo is only half the dial.....hmmmmm

paul.

Most cars - Instrument dials - oldgit

My MK6 Golf has quite sophisticated dials in that they are permanently illuminated and their light intensity varies with the ambient light available and so when it's bright sun they are also very bright and hence easily read and when dull they dim accordingly.

Most cars - Instrument dials - madf

I prefer digital displays for legibility reasons: I can't read anything easily - 30 mph signs seem a blur but digital displays are great .

Most cars - Instrument dials - oldgit

I prefer digital displays for legibility reasons: I can't read anything easily - 30 mph signs seem a blur but digital displays are great .

Can't think of anything worse than large digital figures rising and falling all the time!

Most cars - Instrument dials - Honestjohn

Obviously I've mentioned this before, but I found the best digital display to be the 'tunnel vision' one in the Yartis and Yaris derivatives, because, for me at least, the speed is displayed at the same focal distance as the road ahead so I don't ahve to refocus to read it. BMW seems to have acknowledged the illegibility of its old fashioned dials by installing head up displays that do the same job as the Yaris by projecting speed digitally onto the windscreen. The Citroen C4 digital display is so clear ity can be read by drivers being overtaken by C4s. Unfortunately marketing pressures sometimes discriminate against the 'best' systems when research 'focus groups' come out against digital displays.

HJ

Most cars - Instrument dials - corax

>> but i found the best digital display to be the 'tunnel vision' one in the Yaris

I agree. Before we bought our Yaris I wasn't sure how to take the centrally mounted digital display, but when you're driving the car, it makes sense as they're angled towards the driver and deeply recessed so that you can see them easily in bright light.

Most cars - Instrument dials - MikeTorque

I find a simple black background with bold white numbers incremented by 10 mph are clear to read as per the VW Golf Mk6 and Ford Focus II (pre-updates). The fashion to either miss out odd numbers (10, 30, 50.. e.g. Focus ST ) or place tiny stealth like odd numbers (10, 30, 50.. new Astra) around the outside of the speed dial takes away information from the driver. I know it's got something to do with cramping 100+ numbers at the top end but there is plenty of space within the dial to show all double digit speed increments up to 100.

Come on vehicle manufactures give us clear speed dials and stop this cosmetic messing around of vital speed and safety information.

Easily the clearest to read are designs like the Citroen C4 digital display, any glance of the eye will catch the exact speed spot on, it does what is says on the tin as they say.
The late 1980's Astra GTE had a clear digital speedo, alas ahead of its time and people didn't appreciate such a simple design conveyed the speed info as needed anytime of the day or night.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Rover 600

In theory the dials should not need to be readable as the dials should be calibrated so that when everything is "normal" (oil pressure, water temperature, battery charging) the needles should all point vertically upward. So that any needle that is not indicates that something is not "as normal".

Only the speedometer and tachometer and fuel gauge need to be readable.

Edited by Rover 600 on 09/06/2010 at 23:46

Most cars - Instrument dials - AlanGowdy

I prefer digital displays for legibility reasons: I can't read anything easily - 30 mph signs seem a blur but digital displays are great .

Can't think of anything worse than large digital figures rising and falling all the time!

Agreed. A digital readout is fine when displaying the magnitude of a constant or near-constant value such as fuel level or engine temperature. With a continuously, perhaps rapidly, changing number on a screen representing revs or road speed for example it is difficult to judge the rate of change of the value, whereas the sweep speed of a needle in perfect for this.

Edited by AlanGowdy on 24/06/2010 at 18:47

Most cars - Instrument dials - Sparky2009

Why do virtually all manufacturers use black instrument dials ......

because they are more ergonomic. Look at a black/dark object and your pupils dilate to maximise light input and info the brain. Use a white background and your pupils contract, effectively making it harder to see.

Check out aircraft cockpits - most instruments have black backgrounds.Aircraft manufacturers have spent milloions on researching this topic.

Head-up displays are a relatively recent development enabled by advances in technology.But ask yourself this - would you want all the visual information you receive a a driver, given in a head-up fashion? Probably not. Most types of information fall into two main categories:- Caught and Sought.

Caught is for the very important stuff you get your system/car to 'throw at you' e.g. head-up displays which are difficult to avoid so the info is delivered.

Sought is the stuff you use less frequently and go looking for, essentially secondary info oil pressure, engine tempertature etc. That's where black backgrounds, white pointers on analogue displays give a quick and fairly rough indicator of value. You are not worried about exact engine coolant temperature is it 89 deg or 91? it doesn't matter too much. What's more important is whether the engine is still cold or is it overheating. i.e. which end of the dial is the pointer.

Sorry for banging on car ergonomics are a bit of a hobby horse.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

So madf, 30 mph signs are a blur?

Go and get your eyes tested and please stay off the road until you get corrective lenses.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Bilboman

30 mph signs a blur? I wish there was more "30 blur" ! How many times do we get caught - almost - at the start of a 30 zone where there is just one sign (which you may not spot because of a plethora of other signs, eyes looking out for young pedestrians, and a host of other parts of the scenery) and then no more signs after that "because it's got street lights, see, so you don't need them..."

Returning to instrument dials - what do BRers think of my idea of colour-coded speedometers - some kind of back lighting changing to yellow at 35, orange at 65 , red at 75, whatever... it occurs to me that a flash of colour just outside the immediate line of vision, clearly visible but not distracting, would serve as a much more useful speed reminder than constantly having to glance down. Intensity of the lighting and speed increments could be user-set as required.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Jonnor
It was my question which started off this thread. And I forgot to say
at that time "Why do all main instrument pointers have to be red??? They can be very hard to read against a black background.
Why not white, or yellow? When I can afford a new motor the first requirement will be a white speedo pointer.........don't laugh.
Most cars - Instrument dials - RT

At night - you simply see the needle and calibrations - seeing a great white static disk as well is unhelpful at best and distracting at worst.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Bromptonaut
It was my question which started off this thread. And I forgot to say at that time "Why do all main instrument pointers have to be red??? They can be very hard to read against a black background.

Serious question, are you sure your colour vision is normal? Most people find red on black to be a good contrrast - think butterflies and moths.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Collos25

Citroen C5s have both anologue and digital displays for the speed and night or day can be read without any problem. Come to think about my w212 has exactly the same.

Edited by Collos25 on 14/07/2012 at 19:41

Most cars - Instrument dials - carr

Check out aircraft cockpits - most instruments have black backgrounds.Aircraft manufacturers have spent milloions on researching this topic.

Aircraft manufacturers have actually spent millions on replacing instruments with screens AKA the 'glass cockpit'.

Most cars - Instrument dials - RT

Check out aircraft cockpits - most instruments have black backgrounds.Aircraft manufacturers have spent milloions on researching this topic.

Aircraft manufacturers have actually spent millions on replacing instruments with screens AKA the 'glass cockpit'.

Which have black backgrounds and highlight the information, not the background.

Most cars - Instrument dials - rpmmatt

I think you will find that modern glass coskpits are in fact digital representations of analogue instruments.

The speed and altitude are of a rolling "ticker tape" disign and engine instruments look like standard analogue guages.

As has been said elsewhere, this is becuase it is easier to spot a developing situation by spotting changes in dials and also the rate at which they change, much easier than looking at just numbers.

Most cars - Instrument dials - carr

The instrument panel should be a 10" LCD that can be configured to any display the driver wants.Obviously the display would show the engine management exception codes too.

Given that car manufacturers are typically at least 5 years behind the rest of consumer electronics ( they are still fitting CD players) we'll have to put up with clockwork dials for a while yet.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Buster Cambelt

Because they put form over function and have forgotten that the dials are there to inform not just to look pretty in the showroom or to show off the latest design fad.

I prefer analogue over digital because most digital instruments are too garish and ape on-line games. get into the cockpit of a modern aircraft and the instruments are at least part digitial and, yet, it's not lit up like some £25 game.

There are some pretty useless ideas out there too. The unlamented Skoda had a neat trick when the auto lights were on, in some conditions the dials would go dark but the needles would be partly illuminated - totally and utterly useless as well as dangerous. "Yes, they do that, don't use the auto lights function if you don't like it" was the reaction from three Skoda dealers and Skoda themselves.

Most cars - Instrument dials - Bilboman

In the past few months I've driven a VW Touran and a Seat Altea and in both cars, one of the clever dashboard options was to project a large digital speed readout in the centre of one of the dials (other options being mpg, fuel range, etc.) I found it very useful and was glad to have the choice - some drivers prefer analogue, others prefer digital; there's no one right answer! Also, getting used to a new car, in this case a hired one, means that memorising the position of the needle in peripheral vision isn't automatic(in my own car the 12 o'clock position equates to the maximum speed limit and I was used to it after four years), so a great big number display was bang on. One further bonus is that a precise digital display (together with cruise control) means less likelihood of being caught by the cash camera trap!

Edited by Bilboman on 18/07/2012 at 21:06