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"Hurried retro-fitting of DRLs to keep up with the Joneses, now that lack-of-DRLs is a truer indicator of a car's age than the (now personalised) number plate."
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hahahahaha....
my 10 year old volvo V40 came fitted with DRLs as standard, but in the handbook it shows hows to disable them. (various combinations of knob and lever waggling turns them off) now it looks like I should turn them back on to keep up with the jones hahaha...
Paul.
v40 phase 1. year 2000 (his)
and as of 3 weeks ago v40 phase 2 year 2004....(hers)
both fitted with DRLS AND BUMPER ORANGE SIDE LIGHTS.....when ford took over volvo the new models v50/C30 etc all had this feature removed....
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The Canadian scenario is exactly the reason that many locals in rural Scotland use daytime headlights. Along with tourists from the continent driving on the wrong side of the road, and the lethal design of the A9.
Edited by The Driver on 29/06/2010 at 15:17
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Some interesting stuff here:
www.dadrl.org.uk/
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There must be accident data from these that supports the use of DRL's. I can't believe we would go down this route if there was evidence that they didn't prevent accidents.
You could be on very dodgy ground there. Would that be in the same way that there is "evidence" to show that speed humps and cameras reduce accidents and make everything safer?
As we've all seen, statistics can be made to demonstrate whatever you want them to demonstrate
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I've always liked the idea of daytime running lights - even in the days when they were only seen on Volvos and Saabs.
I can't see there's any disadvantage to them except they mean 2 more bulbs to fail.
The VW Golf Mk 6 looks really good with its DRL's on.
After all, there was criticism of high-level 3rd brake lights when they first came out - now they've been a legal requirement on all new cars and vans for many years.
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On my volvos the DRLS use (2x) 5w wedge bulbs at the front, and (4x) standard brake bulbs at the rear, plus the number plate bulbs (2x at the rear) and (4x) bulbs on the side bumpers...
thats 12 in total....thats why I turn them off, for the summer months...
not forgetting that the dash is always illuminated by bulbs...just changed 3 on the v40 phase 2. last weekend and 1 on the phase 1.....only £2.60 each from the main dealer...
hahahaha......
paul
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Why stop at DRLs? Why not fit all cars with horns permanently wired up so that every city in Europe becomes like Cairo?
It strikes me that the DRL debate is part of a much much wider issue, the ongoing "Cold War" between two classes of motorists: those driving the latest, fastest, biggest, strongest, flashiest, most gadget-equipped vehicles on planet Earth - and the rest.
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The Directive states:
"Member States shall adopt and publish, by 15 October 2009, at the latest, the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive. They shall forthwith communicate to the Commission the text of those provisions and a correlation table between those provisions and this Directive.
They shall apply those provisions from 16 October 2009. When Member States adopt those provisions, they shall contain a reference to this Directive or be accompanied by such a
reference on the occasion of their official publication. Member States shall determine how such reference is to be made."
Is anyone aware of a change to the UK RVLRs? I haven't seen it.
HJ
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Bilboman
HAHAHA,,,,car horns....made me remember back to 1988 when I was in Higher Education studying electronics and enginering. we where all running clapped out mk2 rustcorts and vauxhall shoveits and minis. one of the guys bought a cheap beetle (bit like the flintstones as you could almost put your feet through the floor.....well it was 6v and he converted it to 12v....but forgot one item......yep the horn.....the first time he tried to use the horn it welded itself in the on postion.....hahahahahhahaaa......
memories hahahaha,,,,,,all the A level students used to take the bus until they had enough money to buy a decent car, all the engineering students got a car early on then spent huge amounts of time making them semi-decent cars.....hmmm the smell of isopon in the mornings hahaha..
paul...
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I'm not sure whether the case for or against DRLs has been proved yet, but here are a couple of reasons in favour of them, IMO:
(1) There are situations even in daylight in which a car with no lights is very hard to see. For instance, if you are driving in the shadow of trees, and someone coming in the opposite direction is out in the open in bright sunshine, from his point of view your car may be practically invisible unless your lights are on.
(2) The converse of the motorcyclists' argument: they say that in difficult conditions it's important that car drivers should be able to see the motorbike. So it is; but it's equally important that bikers should be able to see the car.
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I think day time lights are a great idea.
I often drive with my lights on.
Also how often do you recognise a volvo coming the other way just due to their lights being on.
Not entirely related but bugs the tits off me when people drive when it is practicaly dark with no lights on.
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Yawn.
If we're stuck with the blasted things, can we at least have some intelligent standardisation? Taking Audi's lead, the left or right side DRLs should dim when the indicators are on; that way the indicators are at least visible. I had a near miss with an Insignia today, fitted with the brightest DRLs I've seen so far, awful ugly angular efforts, absolutely no imagination or style and they're bang next to the indicators, rendering them almost invisible in bright daylight. Vauxhall/Opel designers, detention for the rest of the year. And you can't come out until you've designed some better DRLs!!
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More stupid legislation. DRLs are fine where they originated in Schweden. It snows quite a lot over there. If you need to drive with lights on during the day you really have a problem with eyesight and observation. Motorcyclists need to have their lights on as many car drivers are either on autopilot or mogadon.
In the interests of road safety, eh? As speed bumps benefit tyre and shock absorber manufacturers, the only people to benefit from this latest piece of legislation are bulb manufacturers and oil companies.
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If you need to drive with lights on during the day you really have a problem with eyesight and observation.
I think you missed the point. Driving with lights on during the day has nothing to do with your eyesight and observation. It has to do with being visible to other people.
Have you really never experienced the problem I described, with sunlight and shadow?
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When I looked up the data before I think the conclusion was that DRLs reduce the number of accidents overall but that the number of accidents (and deaths) involving motorcycles goes up as they no longer stand out as well as they did.
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I got the DRL (front and rear) energised on my Octavia last year. They are next to the foglights and not confusable with indicators. I could switch them off if I chose.
Partly selected just to wind up people who are behind the times with the latest rules.Had a few 'flashes'. One colleague insists that I dazzled him. Unlikely considering their location and low wattages. But mission accomplished.
But they are appreciated on gloomy mornings when it is not dark enough to put on headlights.
Will shortly see what la belle France makes of them.
Edited by Glaikit Wee Scunner {P} on 07/07/2010 at 14:59
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Visited a duch website regarding using day time running lights,they concluded that 45 traffic deaths and 600 accidents where prevented last year.
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Although there is a small cost premium, LED DRL's are the only way to go. They are brighter, have a longer life and lower power consumption. Ultimately, this is the way all car lighting will go anyway.
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hi, i have a factory in china,manufacture car daytime running lights and parking sensors, if anybody have any demands or interests in it, can contact me. My email add: lxydanny@gmail.com
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I have just come back from germany where people have their headlamps on in the day and newer cars have DRL (same as the UK), some people have retro-fitted DRL to older cars.
Life just carried on as normal.
Edited by Hamsafar on 11/08/2011 at 22:15
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DRL are a very bad idea. An example. Here in Floriduh, where driving standards are very very low, quite a few cars have DRL. Its the law here that when it rains and your wipers are being used, you MUST put your lights on. Ah ha Mr Smartypants DRL user says, I dont have to as they are on already......BUT when it heaves down, and for those of you who have driven in tropical downpours, it really heaves down and vis in 20/30 feet. They of course dont have their rear lights on do they! And thats why I drive a Range Rover.....coming thru!
Edited by Avant on 12/08/2011 at 01:44
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DRL are a very bad idea. An example. Here in Floriduh, where driving standards are very very low, quite a few cars have DRL. Its the law here that when it rains and your wipers are being used, you MUST put your lights on. Ah ha Mr Smartypants DRL user says, I dont have to as they are on already......BUT when it heaves down, and for those of you who have driven in tropical downpours, it really heaves down and vis in 20/30 feet. They of course dont have their rear lights on do they! And thats why I drive a Range Rover.....coming thru!
Yeah cos Floridians stupidity is obviously all the DRL's fault, rather than the block of wood between the ears.
Edited by Avant on 12/08/2011 at 01:45
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@ Avant
What was wrong with that?! What did i say?!
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"What was wrong with that?! What did i say?!"
Jamie, yet again you swore, unnecessarily as usual. I substituted 'they' for the (word beginning with b) which the filter intercepted.
In future if there's a swear word in anyone's post (not just Jamie's - this isn't victimisation) I'll simply delete the whole post. I've had enough of it, and I'm not the only one.
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Thanks for editing the morons reply Avant
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Didnt stop another moron posting thanks.
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Life just carried on as normal.
So completely redundant then?
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Well i have been saying for ages this whole DRL thing is a dull unimportant issue. Claims of lights making you harder to see rather than easier were disproven (by me) some time ago so that ones out the window and now we have first hand evidence that it makes no difference (although i still think they'll help in particularly rainy conditions in daytime) proves its all a fuss over nothing.
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