Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

Hi Gurus, really appreciate some thoughts out there.

My baby is an 04 Citroen Picasso 2.0 hdi diesel. Ive had her since 2007 and she's done 59000 miles. She has always started first time no problems but when it was really cold a couple of years ago she took 3 or 4 turns (each about 10/15 seconds) of the engine to get her going, car seems smooth enough though once going. When that winter was over I replaced the heater plugs thinking that they would be the likley cause but they all looked in good nick but I changed them anyway. BOttom line is its still a poor starter, churning over ALOT more than it used to before it coughs into life. Whats the thoughts on the next line I should take ??

Thank you

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - dervdave

Check that the glow plugs are actually working

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - Peter.N.

Is the engine turning over fairly fast, it needs to, if not your battery may need replacing. You can try the glow plugs but mine start almost instantly without them. A worn HP diesel pump can make them difficult to start but that is usually worse when hot.

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

Engine turning over quite fast same speed as when I got the car in 2007. When hot starts pretty good no problems.

Thanks

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

Yes m8.. All glowed quite quickly !

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

Check that the glow plugs are actually working

Dervdave, what I did was reconnect the wires to the new glow plugs before I installed them. I only visually watched as they glowed when the ignition was turned on. I am assuming this test was good enough ???

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - Railroad.

Glow plugs are very unlikely to be the cause of the problem. You either have a loss of compression or loss of fuel pressure. For the fuel injectors to pulse and the engine to start the pressure in the common rail must reach at least 10,000kpa, which is 100 bar or 1450psi. A worn high pressure fuel pump or excessive injector leak off would cause your problem.

Your engine is a direct injection common rail diesel, and these do not require preheating except for when the outside air temperature is very cold, such as freezing or just above that. In fact the purpose of glow plugs isn't even for cold starting, rather than to reduce engine noise and to improve emissions when the engine is cold.

Glow plugs were required for cold starting on older indirect injection diesels, but as far as I'm aware no indirect injections are common rails.

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

Glow plugs are very unlikely to be the cause of the problem. You either have a loss of compression or loss of fuel pressure. For the fuel injectors to pulse and the engine to start the pressure in the common rail must reach at least 10,000kpa, which is 100 bar or 1450psi. A worn high pressure fuel pump or excessive injector leak off would cause your problem.

Your engine is a direct injection common rail diesel, and these do not require preheating except for when the outside air temperature is very cold, such as freezing or just above that. In fact the purpose of glow plugs isn't even for cold starting, rather than to reduce engine noise and to improve emissions when the engine is cold.

Glow plugs were required for cold starting on older indirect injection diesels, but as far as I'm aware no indirect injections are common rails.

Hi, thanks for this comment, in your opinion what would your next logical step be ? Im thinking paying for a compression test OR getting the fuel injectors reconditioned ??

Thank you

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - Railroad.
Hi, thanks for this comment, in your opinion what would your next logical step be ? Im thinking paying for a compression test OR getting the fuel injectors reconditioned ??

Thank you

A quick easy test is to locate the fuel filter housing beneath the engine cover. It's black, circular and about 6" in diameter. Get an assistant to switch the ignition on and off, but do not crank the engine. Whilst he is doing so you should see the filter housing swell slightly and ease back. This will tell you if the in-tank fuel pump is working as it should do. Common rail fuel pressure can be checked using suitable diagnostic equipment which as I said before must reach at least 10,000kpa on cranking before the engine will start, but it should be remembered that the rail pressure reading is what the sensor is telling the ECU, not the actual pressure in the rail, which could be different if the sensor is faulty. Pumps do not create pressure. They facilitate flow. Pressure comes from opposition to flow. The pressure in the common rail will be reduced if too much fuel is allowed to return to the tank from one or more injectors. Apart from removing the fuel return pipes to measure the quantity of fuel leaking off, do not attempt to do anything to the fuel injectors. They are expensive and could easily be damaged if you tamper with them. A diesel fuel injection specialist should be able to do these checks for you, and re-condition your injectors if necessary.

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - allen g

hi you could try adding some cataclean to the fuel tank (lots on ebay)it cleans the combustion chambers,injectors,and the fuel pump i use it every 6000 miles

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - MrMad1966

hi you could try adding some cataclean to the fuel tank (lots on ebay)it cleans the combustion chambers,injectors,and the fuel pump i use it every 6000 miles

Will do m8, should'nt do no harm..

thanks

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - Collos25

Won,t do any good either- snakeoil.

Xara Picasso - Citroen Diesel Poor Starting - Peter.N.

Has anyone mentioned the rail pressure sensor?